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Post by bobathon on Nov 16, 2015 9:20:28 GMT -5
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Post by rally2xs on Nov 16, 2015 9:37:43 GMT -5
Gosh, what mistake was that? We've reduced our CO2 emissions more than any other country, and are building wind and solar at a rapid pace. Its a huge country, and there's not enough money to go any faster, that's all. All of us desperately want electric cars, but the magic battery hasn't been invented yet, so we can't have 'em. What the hell more do you want? Putin actually SAYS that AGW is a fraud, and the Chinese and Indians obviously believe it - you can tell by their actions of digging coal at an ever increasing rate.
Tell you what - you want better performance, get yourself back to college, get yourself a couple PHD's in materials science and electrochemistry, and invent for us the magic battery. The magic battery is cheap and small and cheap and rugged enough for automotive use and cheap and high-capacity and cheap and lightweight and cheap. It has to be cheap so that someone that can only afford a low-end $12K car can still buy a $12K car that is electric. If it ain't that cheap, he'll either buy a $12K internal combustion engine car, or keep the internal combustion engine car he already has. Either way, it won't help the climate a bit.
I personally believe the CO2 -> AGW thin is a hoax, but would really really like to quit using fossil fuels simply because they are expensive, dirty, and otherwise dangerous - they all burn, and lots of 'em blow up. We could stand to quit trucking huge bulk of our fuels across the land with real trucks, railroads, and pipelines, and around the world in ships. Electricity travels much more cheaply, efficiently, and safely. With the advent of High Voltage DC power distribution, the ability to go 100% solar electric becomes real, with the ability to get solar electric at night from the Sahara and the Gobi and the Ukraine. It'll take a long time to build that infrastructure - the dreamers have just begun to consider it - but the most important dreamers, the scientists and engineers, think it can be made to work.
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Post by bobathon on Nov 16, 2015 9:44:55 GMT -5
Exxon knows it's no hoax and has known that for decades. Lucky for you, and I mean this seriously, you'll probably be dead before it gets really bad. Me too, if I'm lucky.
You know who else takes it seriously? DOD. But then, they are government and everyone knows government is all stupid all the time.
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Post by rally2xs on Nov 16, 2015 9:50:42 GMT -5
Well, I think it is a hoax, but still want to electrify everything with solar/wind/geothermal/anything that doesn't burn. The best way to put Exxon out of business is to invent something that will do the same thing cheaper. Then we'll probably have the Exxon electric company, but that's OK, 'cuz it still won't emit crap when its gathering sunlight in the Mojave or Gobi or Shahara. I don't think many of us will live to see the global power grid - it'll take a while. Well, yeah we will, just not me - we may have it in 20 - 30 years, and there's plenty here that will live that long. I'm just not likely to.
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Post by bobathon on Nov 16, 2015 10:03:53 GMT -5
And the solution will not be invented in some guy's garage. This is where we need a Manhattan Project type of effort. It IS an existential threat, unlike daesh.
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Post by rally2xs on Nov 16, 2015 10:14:17 GMT -5
We don't need any gov't project. There's tons of companies and universities working on this. The magic battery is the key. Whoever is successful will have the ability to get fabulously rich. That's all that's required. The power and fossil fuels companies are especially incentivized to find this, since the power companies know that their stocks will skyrocket, and the fossil fuel companies know that having a magic battery will keep them in the energy market when everyone stampedes to get an electric car that is about the same cost to fuel as 90 cents a gallon gasoline.
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Post by bobathon on Nov 16, 2015 10:21:17 GMT -5
Yeah, Exxon knew for decades and they got right on that magic battery. eyeroll here
You ignore the investments we made and make. We give oil all sorts of freebies, why on earth would they work on something new? It's someone else's problem until it affects their bottom line, and Exxon has been protecting that since they learned we're destroying the climate. It's as if you live in a cartoon land where magic people swoop in with magic solutions. Christ what rosy colored glasses you wear for some things.
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Post by rally2xs on Nov 16, 2015 10:28:15 GMT -5
They'll work on alternatives 'cuz if they don't, they know someone else will, and take their gravy train away when all of a sudden nobody needs gasoline any more. They want to be on the inside of that, with their own, if not better solution, then the earliest solution to be able to capture that market.
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Post by rally2xs on Nov 16, 2015 16:05:54 GMT -5
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Post by bobathon on Nov 16, 2015 18:21:08 GMT -5
Not the point. We have probably made our demose inevitable, and tweaking around the edges isn't the sea change we need to save ourselves.
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Post by MF on Nov 16, 2015 20:06:43 GMT -5
We are coming out of an ice age. How does that happen ? The earth warms up,,,with or without man. It has happen before and will happen again,,,,and there is nothing we can do to stop or change that !!..it will probably be getting a lot warmer in the next few 100,000 years....
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Post by bobathon on Nov 16, 2015 20:33:09 GMT -5
Go back to sleep, Grandma.
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