I Comdemn

[rally2xs]

[bobathon]

Because you don't understand some of them, and don't want to. Equating them shows your ignorance.

[pasta]

Aug 15, 2017 8:02:13 GMT -5 bobathon said:

Because you don't understand some of them, and don't want to. Equating them shows your ignorance.

Exactly.

[DA]

For giggles, which ones aren't understood and what would you do to explain why they're misunderstood?

[bobathon]

BLM (and CAIR) are not remotely like KKK. There's no explaining how "please cops, don't shoot us so much" is not the same as "white people are your natural superiors and so you should be enslaved".

[pasta]

[rally2xs]

Aug 20, 2017 18:05:44 GMT -5 bobathon said:

BLM (and CAIR) are not remotely like KKK. There's no explaining how "please cops, don't shoot us so much" is not the same as "white people are your natural superiors and so you should be enslaved".

BLM is a terrorist organization ("What do we want?  Dead cops!  When do we want 'em?  Now!" and "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon.") and ANTIFA just shows up with clubs and beats the F out of people.   They're all vile organizations with terrible people in them.

[DA]

When members of BLM call for the death of wypipo, say that wypipo aren't welcome and should stfu etc., then they themselves have become what they are fighting against. They started out as an organization that I could understand and stood behind, they quickly lost sight of the original mission and went rogue. I've read enough hate from some of their members that they could be considered KKK if they were white said the same things.

[bobathon]

So exactly how many people have they lynched again?

BLM is also much more loosely defined than KKK, and without a rigorous chain of command. So sometimes idiots claim to speak for them. However, the VAST majority of BLM actions and statements have been peaceful protest. They are marked by peaceful protest, not violence (there are always assholes at protests). In fact, I read about some BLM folks escorting the idiots in Boston to ensure their safety the other day. Just like the KKK.


ETA: www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2017/08/economist-explains-15

I forgot about that: Would the KKK tolerate black members (besides Clayton Bigsby)? BLM invites people of all colors, despite some odd loud mouthed fools. Wypipo are invited.

[bobathon]

Aug 20, 2017 20:48:44 GMT -5 rally2xs said:

Aug 20, 2017 18:05:44 GMT -5 bobathon said:

BLM (and CAIR) are not remotely like KKK. There's no explaining how "please cops, don't shoot us so much" is not the same as "white people are your natural superiors and so you should be enslaved".

BLM is a terrorist organization ("What do we want?  Dead cops!  When do we want 'em?  Now!" and "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon.") and ANTIFA just shows up with clubs and beats the F out of people.   They're all vile organizations with terrible people in them.

As I first posted, it's your brainwashed ignorance. Who has BLM murdered? Where is their version of this?:

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/22/Lynching_of_Leo_Frank_1.jpg

Then times thousands...

PS Did I say antifa was not like the others? Antifa seem largely anarchist. But you would be welcomed to a BLM march. When blacks are invited somewhere by the KKK, they get murdered. In fact, helping black people was enough for KKK to murder white people. Their very foundation is to preserve racial disparity. BLM is the exact opposite.

PPS Which people do antifa beat the fuck out of? NAZIs? I'm actually pretty ok with defending communities (antifa protected a synagogue from threatening NAZIs - look it up) from those white Christian terrorists.

[minx]

I do have to agree with DA on this. While BLM is mostly a peaceful movement, they do have people who 'speak' for the movement, and those people need to speak out and make sure that people know that they do not stand for violence against anyone, including the police.

At the same time, whites need to understand that if people in your community breathe a sigh of relief every time a police car drives by without stopping, or your kid is stopped for something stupid like a cracked tail light and lives to tell the tale, that perhaps you might not view the police in the same positive light that you do.

[bobathon]

So, how many murders?

They are not even close. They don't promote cop killing, like some kind of sovereign citizen.

[rally2xs]

Aug 21, 2017 9:03:51 GMT -5 minx said:

I do have to agree with DA on this. While BLM is mostly a peaceful movement, they do have people who 'speak' for the movement, and those people need to speak out and make sure that people know that they do not stand for violence against anyone, including the police.

Really tough to do when they have large crowds marching through the street chanting words that roughly translate to "death to cops."

At the same time, whites need to understand that if people in your community breathe a sigh of relief every time a police car drives by without stopping, or your kid is stopped for something stupid like a cracked tail light and lives to tell the tale, that perhaps you might not view the police in the same positive light that you do.

If so many of the members of certain groups that engender extreme caution in the law enforcement community weren't out doing wicked shit to each other, other people, and the cops, it wouldn't be such a problem. Maybe those of the same group could work a bit harder at doing something about the rats asses in their midst, HELP the cops to take those people out of society, and try to make a better situation for everyone. But right now, cops and others know by looking what sort of people are more likely to beat the F out of them, or rob them, or shoot them and they aren't wrong about that either. So, if people are more defensive when interacting with every member of the group, you have to realize this is just logical self-preservation at work. Not doing it is more likely to result in a shorter life. The only people that ever can and will turn this situation around is that community that corrects its own problems, outsiders cannot, so far, seem to do it for them. Or maybe its unsolvable, and this will continue forever. If it does, its not because people hate them, its because they're afraid of them and its not wrong to be that way.

[rally2xs]

Aug 21, 2017 7:55:49 GMT -5 bobathon said:

As I first posted, it's your brainwashed ignorance. Who has BLM murdered? Where is their version of this?:

Last KKK lynching was 1981:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Michael_Donald

Since then, they've just been hateful buffoons that deserve to be watched carefully, esp. by law enforcement. But they're mostly just loud, annoying, and wrong now.

[minx]

Wait! It's up to the members of the black community to police themselves?? Are you shitting me Rally?

Why aren't there calls for the white community to better police themselves too? Last I heard, crimes are committed in the white community as well, although the media doesn't like the narrative that white people are violent - they prefer to portray blacks as violent instead.

Yeah, cops really know who is violent just by looking. Ask Tamir Rice - killed by cops who couldn't tell from 50 feet that he was carrying a toy gun, and didn't bother asking because "He looked so much older" (he was 12)
Ask Phillip Castile, who was pulled over for a broken taillight, informed the police that he had a concealed handgun that he had a LEGAL permit for and was shot anyway.

There are dozens upon dozens more - the majority of which start with "I was afraid for my life" and end with a dead Person of Color (usually a man) shot within less than 2 minutes of the initial encounter.

I don't see those same statistics for white men, and I somehow doubt they are any less violent then black men.

I don't see police shooting 12 year old white boys

The common thread I do see in every police stop of a black that involves a shooting or violent arrest is "They deserved it"
Sandra Bland deserved to be pulled from her car, arrested and thrown into jail, because she dared to continue to smoke a cigarette in front of a white officer. Her charge "Being disrespectful"

Last time I was pulled over for speeding, when I was told what the speed limit was, I looked at the cop and said "You're shitting me!" Not only that, I had NO identification on me - no license, registration, insurance card, nothing. I also was driving a car not registered in my name. Not only was I not arrested or made to leave my car at all, but the officer laughed as he gave me my ticket and wished me a good day. Wonder if I would have gotten that reception if I hadn't been white...

[bobathon]

It's a privilege.

rally also ignores the crux - when some black thug (but they're all black, right rally?) kills someone, it gets investigated and criminals go to prison. For cops, not so much. Trained to fear black people and to shoot based in their fears. What could go wrong?

[bobathon]

rally, the NAZIs quit killing in 1945. I guess they're just fine with you, and definitely better than the KKK.

How many decades were KKK murdering? How many open air lynchings did they hold? How many towns became sundown towns (why do we even have the term?)? How many churches did those fine Christians bomb/burn? KKK is the apotheosis of terrorist organizations, and you think a bunch of rainbow unicorn kids marching is equally evil.

It's as if you ignore historical reality in favor of some bullshit comforting narrative fed to you by whiners who pretend to be victims. Exactly. As. If.

[rally2xs]

Aug 21, 2017 10:15:54 GMT -5 minx said:

I don't see those same statistics for white men, and I somehow doubt they are any less violent then black men.

Loon.

[minx]

Are you saying that white people are not violent? Or that they get away with their crimes more than black people do because the police don't profile them as much?

Cause whether or not you want to face it, there is a ton of white on white crime out there. Just one example off the top of my head - how many times have white men killed their whole family and then themselves? How many domestic violence killings are done by white men?

Just like many people don't want to acknowledge that there are huge amounts of poor white people living in squalor in cities (those are only for poor blacks after all, as we all know that poor whites are rural and live mostly in Appalachia), many people don't want to admit that criminals come in all colors too, and there are just as many white criminals out there as black ones.