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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Feb 25, 2023 22:11:40 GMT -5
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Post by k9krap on Feb 25, 2023 23:01:25 GMT -5
🤣🤣🤣 I don’t believe shooting bratty, psychotic kids is the reason they want to arm teachers but it sounds okay to me.
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Post by bobathon on Feb 26, 2023 5:33:46 GMT -5
If she'd been armed then that criminal fuckhead would be armed. With her gun.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Feb 26, 2023 12:45:51 GMT -5
That is absolutely one possibility. Another is that she or someone else trained had made a chalk outline in the shape of a homicidal maniac. Speaking of which and watching the whole video I couldn't help but notice the guy in the Marines uniform that basically stood by once he arrived and saw what was happening. Recruiter? Fuck, I hope not.
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Post by minx on Feb 26, 2023 15:39:53 GMT -5
The few, the proud, the bystanders.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Feb 26, 2023 19:13:39 GMT -5
Mic drop!
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Post by bobathon on Feb 27, 2023 4:14:03 GMT -5
Teachers are there to teach, not to kill. We have a real problem in our so-called civilization when every individual is a threat, when our instructors need to be prepared to kill their pupils. What's next, *everyone*, EVERYWHERE, must be armed and ready to pew pew pew? That's fucking in.sane. American Exceptionalism.
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Post by k9krap on Feb 27, 2023 5:41:54 GMT -5
That exactly what the NRA-backed GOP wish for, Bob. And, yes, they are insane.
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Post by minx on Feb 27, 2023 9:45:03 GMT -5
I say arm them all and let God figure it out. Isn't that what our thoughts and prayers are for?
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Feb 27, 2023 10:22:51 GMT -5
Teachers are there to teach and not live in fear of getting shot and beat to death either. Kids are there to learn and not be violent. The chool boards are there to cover their asses from the lawyers in the name of all-inclusive. And the rest just stand around with their thumbs in their asses doing dick. We have choices that are actually realistic and effective but since we have people that are averse to holding parents responsible, kids responsible, and rather it be the guns that are responsible then we get what we have here today. By the way, my OP was a very frustrated albeit tongue in cheek commentary on the state of right vs left when it comes to extremes rather than thoughtful solutions to not only this but most of our societal issues, and how sometimes surrendering those solutions to the fringe seems like a better idea than doing whatever we've been doing.
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Post by minx on Feb 27, 2023 14:41:28 GMT -5
I don't disagree.
Friend of mine was a MS teacher. She told me a while back (about 10 years ago) about a problem kid. Teachers, counselors were in agreement that the kid may have had some sort of learning disability or learning disorder.
Numerous meetings with parents, teachers, counselors and school administrators about his issues. They begged the mom for permission to have him formally observed by someone (mind you, not tested, not diagnosed - just having someone with more experience then they had to stay in the classroom for a few days to observe). Mom refused every time she was asked. She had him in 8th grade. In that meeting, principal flat out told her that this was the last 'real' chance to have him evaluated - HS wasn't going to play games. She refused again, and he told her that he was very serious, and if she didn't intervene, he predicted that this kid would be arrested for something before he turned 16. Nope.
Sure enough, kid was arrested for B&E when he was 15. As she noted, not unexpected but frustrating and sad.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Feb 27, 2023 16:43:55 GMT -5
Parent should be locked up with him.
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Post by k9krap on Feb 28, 2023 1:05:26 GMT -5
We have politicians that have replaced their American flag lapel pins with AK47 lapel pins!
And why aren’t they considered weapons of mass destruction?
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Post by minx on Feb 28, 2023 14:55:20 GMT -5
Are they AK-47s (military assault rifles) or AR-15s (semi-automatic rifles used for target practice and hunting)?
I thought they were AR-15s to show their support for gun rights. Not that replacing your American Flag pin with an AR-15 pin is really any better. In fact, to me it's even worse.
One could argue that the AK-47 shows military support - you're for a strong military. The AR-15 seems to signify that you want to pander to the gun lobby and NRA. Not that these assholes care either way.
And the fact still remains that the main gun issue in the US is easy access to handguns. The vast majority of shootings involve a handgun, not a rifle. And in the name of God, there are plenty of shootings every day - the media just focuses on the ones with high body counts.
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Post by bobathon on Feb 28, 2023 17:13:07 GMT -5
AK47 is a Roosky design. AR-15 does what a military assault rifle does, except without selective fire. No bursts of three or wide open yeeha. But it maims as well as any other military assault rifle.
Selecting a "National Gun" is just so desperate. It's also unfair to all the other gun makers in America. Talk about picking winners and losers.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Feb 28, 2023 18:08:58 GMT -5
Are they AK-47s (military assault rifles) or AR-15s (semi-automatic rifles used for target practice and hunting)? I thought they were AR-15s to show their support for gun rights. Not that replacing your American Flag pin with an AR-15 pin is really any better. In fact, to me it's even worse. One could argue that the AK-47 shows military support - you're for a strong military. The AR-15 seems to signify that you want to pander to the gun lobby and NRA. Not that these assholes care either way. And the fact still remains that the main gun issue in the US is easy access to handguns. The vast majority of shootings involve a handgun, not a rifle. And in the name of God, there are plenty of shootings every day - the media just focuses on the ones with high body counts. I not sure anyone wants to hear my opinion on this but for posterity here we go- I wasn't aware of any elected officials replacing their Old Glory pins with a rifle pin. Needs citation. Even in the event that it is factual, I'm quite certain it involves only the fringe of the right wing not to exceed the usual suspects. Like 4 maybe 5 GOP congressrats and no Senators. Will anxiously await proof otherwise. Bob is correct. The AK47 (Kalashnikov) rifle is a Russian automatic rifle and almost certainly the MOA mass produced rifles. Colt made the AR15 for US military use, originally. Many MANY companies manufacture those rifles on the AR platform for sale in the US but only, by law, in the semi-automatic version, which is one bullet per pull of the trigger, no fully auto or 3 shot bursts. |
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Post by minx on Feb 28, 2023 18:14:28 GMT -5
It probably is only a handful (Santos is one). Some asshole congressman from Georgia (big shocker here) owns a gun store and was passing out AR-15 pins to anyone who wanted them.
The only picture I saw was Santos, who wasn't wearing a flag. Unclear if he ever did though.
And Bob, I'm sick of your PC gun nonsense. Next thing, you'll be saying that all the guns should get a participation trophy. Things like this is why our country is going to hell in a handbasket - one gun to rule them all. Period.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Feb 28, 2023 21:37:09 GMT -5
The Bimbobert would've been my first guess.
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Post by k9krap on Mar 1, 2023 0:01:54 GMT -5
Sorry. I’m not educated on guns and prefer not to be. It’s a fucking machine gun and I have a photo buried here in my iPad if anyone needs to see it. There were several representatives proudly sporting them.
And they are weapons of mass destruction in my opinion.
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Post by bobathon on Mar 1, 2023 15:10:30 GMT -5
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Post by minx on Mar 2, 2023 9:53:00 GMT -5
Performance? Pandering? Say it ain't so Bob!
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Mar 2, 2023 13:01:07 GMT -5
As I suspected.
Of course, if it was AOC or Omar wearing ANYTHING other than a American Flag pin, those same two would lose their shit along with every. single. -R.
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Post by minx on Mar 2, 2023 15:21:27 GMT -5
Back to the teacher. She released a statement the other day saying that she did not try to take away her assailant's video game.
It's pretty fucking sad that she has to explain that she did nothing to provoke this. As if telling a student to turn off a video game during class is full justification for them going berserk and beating someone unconscious.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Mar 2, 2023 15:47:52 GMT -5
I know of an incident at Glass HS in Lynchburg where the admins wanted a teacher to testify (to the school board) using their words. He had witnessed an incident and what he saw did not align with their agenda. He was saying that he got the impression they would need him to cooperate or else. I saw the letter and I got that impression also.
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Post by bobathon on Mar 3, 2023 3:57:03 GMT -5
On Perry Mason they called that shit "suborning perjury" or "witness tampering".
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Mar 23, 2023 11:43:25 GMT -5
Among the several incidents since the OP, is this one www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/23/denver-high-school-shooting-body-found-woodsThe kid was on the radar and apparently had to be searched in some way (apparently not in a reasonably thorough way) before being let into the school. I find this kind of albeit morbidly interesting because of the recent UNANIMOUS SCOTUS ruling www.npr.org/2023/03/21/1165072110/supreme-court-hands-victory-to-public-school-students-with-disabilitieswhich I haven't taken the time as of yet to get up to speed. I wonder where behavioral issues fits into the master plan in terms of that ruling. Mental health is a disability in my eyes but what about the in the eyes of this ruling? I don't think any child which is a known risk to the point of being strip searched to be let into school should be going to a public school in the first place. We now have a teacher shot by a 6 year old and two administrators shot by a 17 year old in the past few months and both shooters were obviously mentally unstable and homicidal. Very sad that the kid killed himself and it will be worth following to see what the whole story behind his actions. |
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Post by minx on Mar 23, 2023 12:49:39 GMT -5
All students deserve an education, and federal law says that public schools have to accept all students.
Buuuuuuuuuut, there are two obstacles here. Parents and schools.
There are parents who refuse to accept that there may be an issue with their child, so they refuse to authorize any testing or observation to investigate further.
And there are other parents who do accept that their child needs help, but can't access outside help. For example, a kid who should have medication for ADHD, but parent doesn't have a car and can't get to a pharmacy (as an overly broad example).
The other half belongs to the schools themselves. It can be super-expensive to accommodate a student with a disability. My youngest was a one-on-one aide for a child who had vision and hearing impairments, along with intellectual disabilities. She was paid $25/hr plus benefits. In addition, the child also had a special ed team who worked to adapt lessons to his learning level. All that costs $$$.
The result is that kids who have clear disabilities get services - those who's disability isn't as clear get rejected.
I've talked with a lot of parents who simply couldn't get services - school would say they passed an assessment, or the school psychologist wouldn't certify them as having a learning or mental health disorder. And I get it in a way - when you don't have the money to remediate something, then you do what you can to say someone doesn't qualify. And lots of parents don't even know they have the option to ask for an accommodation either.
It's a totally sucky system. But no fear, the unborn are being protected!!
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Mar 23, 2023 14:01:28 GMT -5
The law doesn't give the right to access public schools under all circumstances. As with many things in this world it's much easier to identify problems than to fix them. As a result we've instituted rules like "zero tolerance" and litigious processes rather than the free exercise of common sense. If a kid has to be frisked to go to school, school is not the place for that kid. So the only two alternatives I can think of, while not depriving that child of an education, is 1) the option for remote learning which could be at home or 2) a secure facility that is equipped and staffed to ensure the safety and security of all. They already have this in some states and I know there used to be one on Cool Springs Rd. I did some work for them many moons ago.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Mar 23, 2023 14:22:22 GMT -5
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Post by minx on Mar 23, 2023 14:29:15 GMT -5
I think we need to have some serious school reforms.
My first step towards any type of fix would be to ban cell phones from school. Period.
I don't care what parents say - there is not ONE documented example of a student being saved from a shooter because they had a cell. Not one. So students don't need a phone at school 'In case of emergency'.
You need to reach your student because YOU are having an emergency, then call the school office and have them get your kid out of class.
You have a cell phone, it gets confiscated and you get an in-school suspension. Your parent or guardian has to come to the school to get your cell phone back.
Next, have the full curriculum for each class published.
So in math, we're using this textbook, and this is what students will learn
In English, we'll be reading these books and learning grammar
In PE, we will be learning the rules of these sports and doing the following exercises
Then have parents sign off saying they accept this curriculum and learning materials. The curriculum should be published online and mailed to parents at the beginning of the summer so they have amble time to review. If a single parent objects, then that parent can meet with the school and explain their complaint and how THEY plan to teach their child that subject matter on their own. Because in theory, all schools should be teaching pretty much the same thing. If I move from district A to district B in the middle of the school year, my kid should have a pretty seamless transition in terms of what they're learning.
Both of these can be done at little to no cost, and I think would help students in terms of giving them consistency and eliminating some distractions. Of course, both require parents to do their jobs, so we all know that neither one will ever happen...
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