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Post by minx on May 1, 2023 12:23:20 GMT -5
Guy asks his neighbor if he could move his target shooting to another location in the yard, as his baby can't sleep (it was 11 at night).
Neighbor's response is to come over and kill 4 people, including the guy's wife and eldest son (8 years old).
Manhunt is on for the neighbor.
Another senseless tragedy. Governor's response is to remind everyone that all of these folks are illegal aliens. What an asshole that man is.
Meanwhile, the local police chief said that he doesn't care what their immigration status is - their job is to protect everyone who lives there, and they are going to do what it takes to find this criminal and bring him to justice. Because what happened to this family wasn't right.
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Post by k9krap on May 1, 2023 22:54:55 GMT -5
The shooter is illegal but most, but at least one victim was legal(From what I’ve read).
So we should allow illegals to just indiscriminately kill each other here in the USA? What an asshole.
The shooter has been evicted from the country 3 times but keeps coming back.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 1, 2023 23:43:07 GMT -5
Don't buy the cheap headline. It's a fucked up world no matter what flag you were born under. The gov of Texas is just another pol playing what his audience wants to hear. It's sick. Fucking sick.
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Post by minx on May 2, 2023 13:05:53 GMT -5
Definitely Fucking Sick.
And people forget that we have a lot of open borders. Some of which abut onto private property. So there is absolutely no way to build a wall high enough or have enough border patrol agents to stop everyone. There just isn't.
So we need to actually take some real action - increase the number of border patrol agents so they can properly cover the major area that people come over illegally, as well as being able to process those who come in seeking legal asylum.
Publicize the guidelines for seeking asylum, to include applying in any country you cross through before getting to the US. So if you're coming up through Mexico, you'd better have something detailing why they wouldn't allow you to stay.
Have proper housing for those who are applying for asylum or trying to join family members already here. Doesn't have to be fancy - an unused military base is fine. Place to sleep, get clean, get fed and get some exercise.
A LOT more judges and interpreters so that claims are processed quickly and people don't settle in for a decade and raise a family before being told they're being deported.
And finally, no release to family members unless they're also here in the country legally.
Again, I can dream
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 3, 2023 10:23:46 GMT -5
The Governor showed everyone who he is. I hope people will recognize that for what it is. There is no such virtue as "pro life" when you openly say some lives as lesser than. That's exactly what he said. No need to try to analyze it any further than that.
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Post by k9krap on May 3, 2023 10:27:12 GMT -5
One cannot be pro life and not care about a birth mother who’s life is threatened if she carries a baby to term, or a starving child, or children being gunned down by weapons that should be illegal. I could go on, but you get the drift. The GQP is NOT pro life!
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Post by minx on May 3, 2023 13:00:11 GMT -5
In my lifetime, I've met exactly two people who said they were pro life and actually walked the walk.
One couple was vehemently against abortion. They heard about a young woman who had been kicked out of her house for being pregnant. They stepped up, offered her their home and supported her without judgement. When she decided at 8mo that she couldn't bring herself to put the baby up for adoption, they also supported her decision and told her she could stay with them after the baby was born and went with her to shop for cribs and what not. She ended up staying for 2 more years while she got her GED and a decent job so she could afford her own place. They also supported a lot of organizations that helped moms and families as well.
But at the same time, when I met them they were talking about starting their own family so I was left to wonder if they'd be willing to take in another young woman once they had kids running them ragged. I still admire them though.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 3, 2023 13:31:49 GMT -5
I'm sure there are plenty of people like that and would certainly like to think that I am one, sans that position of judging others and insisting they abide by my beliefs.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 7, 2023 10:10:44 GMT -5
I know it's just the four of us but I've deleted posts with pictures like that in the past. There are other people non-members that lurk and fair is fair, and too much is too much. Sorry, hope you understand.
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Post by minx on May 8, 2023 10:16:45 GMT -5
Another day, another shooting. And yet Abbot and his cronies see no connection between this and removing almost all gun restrictions.
I feel sorry for anyone rational in TX or FL who can’t affect to pack up and leave.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 8, 2023 12:35:43 GMT -5
Buy a gun and learn to handle/shoot it. That's all there is that you can do about it because clearly the path is paved in unobtanium.
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Post by k9krap on May 9, 2023 1:23:53 GMT -5
Nope. Just shoot me. I’m not getting a fucking gun. (Is it okay if I say fuck?). I’ve been anti gun since a high school friend was shot as a junior deputy when responding to a domestic call. Dead at 17.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 9, 2023 10:09:28 GMT -5
Logic has left the chat.
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Post by k9krap on May 9, 2023 10:16:59 GMT -5
Nope. It is logical. I am a klutz so would probably end up killing myself. Or my attacker would be able to shoot me with my gun. It happens. A lot. But most of all, I’ve seen with my own eyes what a gun does to a person or other living thing. I have no interest in inflicting that on anyone or anything. Ever.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 9, 2023 10:21:52 GMT -5
What if it were to protect your children? Yes, I know that's a non-starter but try the hypothetical out for a second. What about my children? I would protect yours or a complete stranger's at any cost. But that's just me. I am probably too proactive for my own good but better to be prepared than to wish away my fears. Similar to getting vaccinated in some ways.
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Post by bobathon on May 9, 2023 11:44:41 GMT -5
What are you protecting people from? Some nutcase with a gun?
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 9, 2023 11:57:41 GMT -5
Answering questions with questions, might as well just tell me what you want to hear and we'll go with that. It doesn't mean that much to me to be right, not enough to argue with someone that won't consider they might not be.
After some other dead end conversations this week, think I'ma work that concept into all my interactions from here on out.
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Post by Minxes on May 9, 2023 17:32:32 GMT -5
I’ll be honest - I’ll never get a gun, mainly because I have terrible aim to begin with. But if someone broke into my house in the middle of the night, I suspect that by the time I woke up enough to put my glasses on (so I could see something), and got the gun out, I wouldn’t have enough time to point and shoot.
At the same time I can understand John’s rationale for having one. I read a lot of articles where people interviewed feel the same (and for the record, they aren’t conservatives, but liberals). It’s just sad and frustrating that this is what our country has come to.
Oh and I can’t find my password right now - sue me.
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Post by k9krap on May 10, 2023 1:27:00 GMT -5
After I posted that response (just shoot me), I considered the scenario of a coyote attacking one of my dogs. Would I shoot it? No. Because I’d probably end up shooting my dog in the process. What I would do is try to place myself between the coyote and my dog. I’ve done that often when I’ve had fights (and suffered the consequences. In rescue, some personalities don’t come to the surface until very late). I am not a confrontational person. At all. I avoid confrontation at all costs. Even my sister beat me up for years before I finally retaliated, but all I did was throw a Calculus book at her. I seldom argued with either of my husbands. I try to keep the peace. Of course, I internalize a helluva lot of stress, too. But, no I would not shoot someone attacking a child but I would try to sacrifice myself in their stead. There are other, less lethal ways to “protect”, yes? I still have a pepper spray gun under my pillow. But I haven’t even looked at it in years. I need to put that in a drawer or something.
It really bothers me that the first thought these days is to kill some living thing if you feel threatened. And now it’s intensified to killing someone that disagrees with you. Oy!
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Post by k9krap on May 10, 2023 1:32:07 GMT -5
Example: I adopted out this cute little furball of a pup to a local lady. She was taking an extended vacation and asked if I would keep him until she returned. No problem! One afternoon after work, I came home and let out 2 foster pups into the yard. They had been with me for several weeks and were fantastic. I had had no issues with them. I also let out my lab/beagle mix, Boots, who also gets along with everyone. Then I let the puppy out. All hell soon broke loose. I ended up covering that little guy with my body while those 3 dogs continued trying to get to him! (Pack mentality) Poor little thing ended up with stitches and drains. Just a few more scars for me (mental and physical).
Boy did I feel awful returning that pup to her, half shaved down with stitches. Plus she was pissed because I didn’t take him to HER vet, who is a quack.
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Post by k9krap on May 10, 2023 3:56:10 GMT -5
Louisiana man shoots at children playing hide and seek in his yard. They were running away. He shot a girl in the back of the head.
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Post by bobathon on May 10, 2023 5:41:39 GMT -5
He had no idea what he was shooting at. Homestead protected, though.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 10, 2023 9:12:45 GMT -5
But, no I would not shoot someone attacking a child but I would try to sacrifice myself in their stead. That's an excellent answer. Entire religions and philosophies are built on that premise. Still, the sacrifice must be successful in order for that child (or any innocent/vulnerable person targeted) to survive and when that's the goal, my position is "by whatever means necessary". Same would apply to my pets, livestock, etc being attacked by a predator- eliminate the predator. What good am I to my family and my livelihood if I'm chewed into 100 pieces by wolves? And if the predator is human, God help him.
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Post by k9krap on May 10, 2023 9:19:31 GMT -5
yes, I’m an atheist.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 10, 2023 9:25:00 GMT -5
I’ll be honest - I’ll never get a gun, mainly because I have terrible aim to begin with. But if someone broke into my house in the middle of the night, I suspect that by the time I woke up enough to put my glasses on (so I could see something), and got the gun out, I wouldn’t have enough time to point and shoot. At the same time I can understand John’s rationale for having one. I read a lot of articles where people interviewed feel the same (and for the record, they aren’t conservatives, but liberals). It’s just sad and frustrating that this is what our country has come to. Oh and I can’t find my password right now - sue me. My comment about getting a gun and learning to use it was apparently lacking context for you guys. I was speaking to the reality of where we are right now and without any reasonable expectation that things will change. Isn't gun control clearly a lost cause by now? Jeez, hope is dead, along with everyone being mass murdered and executed, that any change is coming. So what's the very last option? Shooting back. Because that's where we are.
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Post by k9krap on May 10, 2023 9:34:54 GMT -5
I’ve been begging my friend to shoot me for a while.
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Post by bobathon on May 10, 2023 11:27:57 GMT -5
I believe that more people carrying more firearms is movement away from civilization and progress.
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Post by minx on May 11, 2023 19:39:30 GMT -5
John, I agree that we’ll never get gun control legislation with any teeth. Hell, we don’t enforce what little regulations do exist at this time.
And I’m not disagreeing with you viewpoint on learning how to use a gun. Just being realistic about my ability to do so.
My sister and my cousin’s wife are both convinced they could not only aim accurately, but pull the trigger without hesitation. And they don’t understand why the only gun I would ever consider owning is a pump-action shotgun. They feel like they’re dead-eye-dick, even though they’ve only shot a handgun one time at a shooting range. I tried to explain that pretty much everyone knows that click-click of a shotgun being ratcheted, and it’s a lot harder to miss your target with it.
Cause if I feel the need to resort to lethal force, I fully intend for it be lethal.
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Post by k9krap on May 12, 2023 1:14:00 GMT -5
The one time I held a gun was when I was a teen working at Woolco. They asked me to fill in at the Sporting Goods counter while the guy took a break. Hmm. I picked up a pistol and was surprised at the weight.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 12, 2023 9:58:42 GMT -5
At this point I'm not sure there'll ever be any further tightening of gun laws period. And if we're being 100% honest with ourselves, any that might actually be forthcoming would likely have no net effect on the trends we're seeing now. Before I'm mocked and ridiculed for saying that, may I remind everyone that I do support things like red flag laws, background checks for ALL firearms purchases, and banning the sale of military style weapons such as the ARs.
I see the ATF is going around again and trying to confiscate a certain accessory that the ATF recently categorized as "illegal", however, the ATF does not have law making authority and they are putting their agents at risk by sending them out under false auspices. This is NOT how to make gun control effective. CONGRESS must be the ones to act and until they do, well, we ain't goin nowhere on this subject.
Lastly, I'm very comfortable around firearms and brought my kids up to know what they were doing with them. Haven't been to the range in quite some time but we all still go out to my son's place and shoot (usually skeet, clays) but also kill some beer cans from time to time. SIL is a hunter and believe me, Nugget will learn to hunt when he's old enough. Might even get me out there but only time will tell. It's been a long time and it didn't thrill me at all. Didn't like to fish either but I took my son because he loved it.
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