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Debate?
Jun 28, 2024 7:25:31 GMT -5
Post by minx on Jun 28, 2024 7:25:31 GMT -5
Or debacle?
Evidentially Biden started to look better as the evening went on. Unfortunately, the only ones watching his performance by then were probably reporters who were forced to cover it.
OMG, there are no words to describe the first 15 minutes. Biden looked every bit as old and slow as Trump portrays him and rather than focusing on Trump's constant lies, he spent his rebuttal time repeating himself. He totally fucked up the abortion question and bizarrely switched to immigration in the middle of it.
I switched off and started reading the live feed from the WP - they were just as baffled.
He'd better step it up.
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Debate?
Jun 28, 2024 7:30:22 GMT -5
Post by minx on Jun 28, 2024 7:30:22 GMT -5
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Debate?
Jun 28, 2024 9:12:14 GMT -5
Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jun 28, 2024 9:12:14 GMT -5
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. Didn't watch but daughter gave me the short and skinny about it, since she was here to take her mom out for a while this morning. Went online after they left and the first headline is Democrats In Full Panic Mode.
Great. Now both candidates are unfit for office and the entire world knows it.
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Debate?
Jun 28, 2024 9:17:37 GMT -5
Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jun 28, 2024 9:17:37 GMT -5
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Debate?
Jun 28, 2024 9:52:36 GMT -5
Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jun 28, 2024 9:52:36 GMT -5
The damage appears to be done and impossible to repair. How much happier would our lives and those of our loved ones be if we could? There was a point when I knew without a doubt my dad was on that path. It took his life a short 5 years later, and 3 of those were spent in institutional memory care. I clearly saw Biden on that path the day of the press conference where he stepped back to the podium to the collective sound of every democrat in America screaming NOOOOooooooOOOOO.
In the unlikely event that he pulls out of the race, which I'll entertain for the purpose of this post, we're faced with the extremely complex question of who would take his place. Well, one thing that comes to mind for me is that given the very real narrative about two "old white men" it makes sense that maybe just the opposite would have a positive impact on our politics and policies. By opposite I mean young(ER) black woman. Harris obviously fits that bill and now has executive experience along with what very well could turn out to be the incumbent if Joe were to step down immediately. Tons of advantages especially given the late stages of the term and impending election in which Republicans are 98% united behind the spray tan Jesus after last night's exposure. For one, she's not going to embarrass herself at any podium or microphone, and could in fact pose a profound challenge to how the party of regressive responds to her as a President and -D nominee. Sure, there'll be the memes and the hate off-campus and in the smoke filled board rooms but don't expect to see that on the TV ads if they have any hope at all of keeping Dems away from the polls in November. She's not ideal mind you, but in my opinion she ideal for the circumstances we find ourselves in.
Thoughts?
PS- I have no reason to believe any of this will happen and every reason to doubt that it will, but if I were in Biden's shoes and really cared about the future of this country and the very real danger another Trump Presidency would mean for it, then he can call and ask me about this anytime day or night. I'm here to help.
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Debate?
Jun 28, 2024 15:55:55 GMT -5
Post by minx on Jun 28, 2024 15:55:55 GMT -5
I think Harris would go down in flames. Not only is she a woman, but she's an uppity Black woman to boot. And you know that people can't have that!
I agree with you though - she's not perfect, but she is competent and has good ideas. However we're facing a disaster either way - kind of too late for Biden to pull out, but he really should.
I kinda hope that SCOTUS does say the president can do whatever the hell he wants. Then Sleepy Joe can take out Don the Con and claim that he has no memory of it.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jun 29, 2024 10:59:19 GMT -5
I'd bet you all the gold bars in Bob Menendez's desk drawer that if the sorry assed SCROTUS decides P's are immune, that decision wouldn't come until after the new old one is sworn in come January. And even if it came out Monday, Biden wouldn't act on it. Joe apparently took his performance enhancers for his rally yesterday and did his version of banging his shoe on the podium, declaring he's not dropping out. I don't know why anyone would have expected anything else despite being hopeful that he'd realize the obvious. It reminds me of the three separate times we (family) had to take the car keys away from our parents and grandparents, and the insistence that they were "fine". Even in the ever so slighter by the minute chance he wins, he will not complete a full second term. Meaning he'll either die, resign, or be 25th'd. Sad thing I've been hearing out of pundit land, and I'm sure it'll be a talking point soon, is that we don't vote only for the President and VP, but for the entire administration and it's policies.......... as I shake my head ruefully.......... because if that's the best the brilliant minds of the left can come up with, we might as well just hand the office and the country over without a fight. To reiterate, Biden could do what's best for the country by stepping down and making Kamala Harris the first female POTUS, forget the other identifiers (Is she black? Asian? WHO FUCKING CARES?!?!) because we'd be talking about history books. Too many positives than I can list if she were to finish out this term and run in the election. For one thing, not even a blip in the campaign other than picking a running mate. She is everything that old white men are not and could supercharge the flaccid democratic party. Have you ever seen so much apathy and lack of enthusiasm in your life? Me either and it's going to get worse. Mark my words. Interesting wiki- worth the read. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris
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Post by minx on Jun 29, 2024 12:24:54 GMT -5
Yeah, someone needs to have a come to jesus talk with both Joe and Jill Biden. Play the tape of that debate over and over again and read the pundits comments out loud over and over.
And tell them both in no uncertain terms that if he's a patriot he'll step aside. I would also invoke the ghost of RBG and point out how her hubris lead to the repeal of Roe v Wade.
Does he want to be remembered as a great statesman, or a stubborn old man who gave away our democracy.
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Debate?
Jun 30, 2024 14:37:38 GMT -5
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jun 30, 2024 14:37:38 GMT -5
The Biden family is having a "summit" this weekend at Camp Dave. Of course it's been planned since long before the debate. People with knowledge of the event and with the presidents thinking say the topic is not expected to be addressed.
Totally an intervention. 😂
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Debate?
Jul 1, 2024 12:47:49 GMT -5
Post by minx on Jul 1, 2024 12:47:49 GMT -5
If it's not, they should program Biden to just repeat over and over "Another lie. Cite your sources please."
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