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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jul 1, 2024 10:03:19 GMT -5
If Biden orders the seizure of all Trump's assets, the arrest, detention, torture, and assassination of trump and his cohorts, those are considered official acts right? and under the scumbag's own scumbag court ruling has presumptive immunity in doing so.
I suggest he proceed in all the above immediately.
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Post by minx on Jul 1, 2024 12:46:36 GMT -5
Who knows if they're official? What we do know is that Biden should be given the benefit of the doubt and not tried until every court below the supreme court has ruled.
And of course, there will be delays in getting shit to court and lots of delays right?
I was thinking more along the lines of forcing Congress to not certify the next election if Biden doesn't win, but your solution works as well.
Not too shocked, but just disgusted.
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Post by minx on Jul 1, 2024 14:19:51 GMT -5
Someone thought of another good one (although it's a dangerous one).
Since Trump claims that he was using his official powers when he took all of those classified documents and that he unclassified them before he left office, why not just publish them? Hell, if he wants, he could even put them behind a paywall and charge $50 to look at all of them. He wins and gets rich at the same time.
Because they're all just junk that should never have been classified, right? Maybe he can tell Jack Smith to release some of the more detailed ones.
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Jul 1, 2024 16:58:58 GMT -5
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jul 1, 2024 16:58:58 GMT -5
Great article here www.thenation.com/article/society/trump-immunity-supreme-court/As it states, all acts by the POTUS while in office are official and that's that. Declare Trump an enemy of the state and SEND the CIA in tonight to make it disappear. watch how fast they reverse the decision. I can accept that my opinions on certain things amount to same as the adage about all assholes... "everyone has one". What I can't accept is the slightest notion that any person in any job or duty, or anyone fornicating with their Oath Of Office is anything less than 100% subject to the laws applied to literally everyone else. I have never said these words more confidently: We are fucked. It took our government 100 years to stop, by law, the singlemost vile human practice possible. It took near 150 years for it to codify women's right to vote. It was almost 200 years of American government not passing an Equal Rights Amendment. 200+ years of our government to get where we are today and yet we STILL have institutions that discriminate against people as a matter of practice. Can you even begin to imagine what going back those 200 years means in terms of getting back to where we are now? This 6-3 decision. All they had to do was issue an easy 9-0 decision that no one is immune to the laws of the land. Make them regret it.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jul 1, 2024 22:07:13 GMT -5
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Post by minx on Jul 2, 2024 8:01:23 GMT -5
Oh we are completely and totally fucked. No amount of get out the vote will fix it either, cause if Trump wins, Biden will politely vacate office and allow the dictator in.
It's way past time to get real. As you noted earlier Biden and the Democratic party needs to get the word out. And one of the best ways to do that right now it to publicize Project 2025. And by publicize, I mean scream that fucking plan from the rooftops.
Donald Trump's campaign playbook is called Project 2025. Start talking about it - highlight specific shit, like removing the farm subsidy, and the requirement for federal food inspections. And provide a link to that specific section of the program. Elimination of the HB-2 visa program - have company owners who rely on this program for seasonal labor talk about why they need these workers. Again provide a link to that specific section.
And on and on. And at the end of each segment, ask "Is this the America you want?"
Oh and by links - I mean that the sections of this massive tome outlining the bullshit should be highlighted on Biden's campaign website, not that people should be forced to read through the entire thing.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jul 2, 2024 10:16:31 GMT -5
I think the author of that article had it right. No amount of debating, rationalizing, or "getting the word out" can unfuck what they have done with this decision. Democrats are going to need to win the WH and both houses of Congress and add no less than 3 to the SCOTUS. There's another way and that's why I said make them regret it, but we know that will never happen because the one that would have to do it is a principled person. Add that to the fact that the chances of having a majority in either house is looking less likely every day, and that we're extremely likely to have a felon in the highest office of the land, and you have the beginning of the end of our little experiment in democracy. If I was Biden I wouldn't stand for it and use every inch of rope they just gave him.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jul 2, 2024 11:07:31 GMT -5
Now the fucker wants his convictions overturned. Sorry asshole. Those crimes weren't official acts since he was still a private citizen at the time. Let's all wait with baited breath for the scumbag court to rule absolute immunity also applies to acts committed by the chosen one.
I wasn't this pissed when they closed the bars for the pandemic.
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Post by minx on Jul 2, 2024 14:24:34 GMT -5
I say that Biden uses his powers to remove half of SCOTUS and negate any decisions they have made over the past 8 years.
Then start over with a new batch o judges. Tell the current ones that He Has The POWER!
I don't know what else to say - as you noted John, we are truly and totally fucked.
And if I were a immigrant who legally belongs in this country, I'd be scared shitless. Cause Trump and his cronies have very clearly stated that they plan on rounding up immigrants, putting them in camps and then deciding who had the status to stay.
Oh, and being beaten and raped by gangs is no longer grounds for asylum. Neither is watching your entire family slaughtered in front of your eyes apparently. They are pretty clear that threats by gangs aren't covered, but make no note of what would be.
Some really scary shit.
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Post by k9krap on Jul 2, 2024 16:30:27 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the new “powers” don’t apply to ALL presidents. SCOTUS has final say on whether the acts are presidential or personal. I don’t see them allowing Democrats any rope at all. (At least, according to Joyce Vance. She did a great job in her evaluation of the decision in last night’s substack.)
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jul 2, 2024 20:40:06 GMT -5
When the 10 Commandments Law in LA and mandated Bible study in OK wind up there, will the Supremacy Clause be applied per the First Amendment or be ignored completely when they rule 6-3 that it's a states decision?
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jul 3, 2024 14:36:11 GMT -5
Certainly someone way smarter than me in about 250 years has asked the question; How can anyone rationalize and or justify in their minds that the person most responsible for law and order not be subject to either.
Anyone?
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Post by minx on Jul 7, 2024 11:52:25 GMT -5
We were listening to Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me yesterday.
One of the panelists was Alonzo Boden, and he had the best take on this.
Picture the founding fathers. Okay, should we put in a line that convicts can't be president? Don't be foolish my friends, no one needs to spell that out! How about setting an age limit on when you are too old to be president? Like maybe 70? (general laughter ensues) - Why who amongst us has lived to that ripe age?
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jul 12, 2024 13:39:28 GMT -5
Kinda got sucked into watching Biden's presser yesterday. Only one real gaffe but a pretty significant one considering millions and millions of people watching with microscopes. Apparently he introduced Zelensky as President Putin earlier in the day.
Note that I have still not watched one single second of the debate so all I have to go off is the above, but I thought there was very little else to scrutinize other than the name mix ups. Big names, yeah, and probably (most assuredly) a sign of things to come. At the same time, probably the same moment, Herr Dumpkoff was also confusing names, cities he was in, and a multitude of other gaffes. So maybe we can take a breath, I don't know. We sure need one and wouldn't it be nice if it were a nice refreshing fresh one? I digress.
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Post by minx on Jul 14, 2024 12:17:09 GMT -5
I say that if we stick with Biden that the rest of his speeches are conducted via teleprompter - he's very measured and presidential in those situations.
And that every time Trump stops using his, point out that when he's off-script he's completely and totally unhinged. Are you staying in the 'electric' boat or jumping in with the sharks?
And I also think that both Biden and Harris should 100% stick to their accomplishments and goals for a second term and contrast that with Trump's record, the Republican platform and Project 2025, with a continual emphasis on letting people know that if they vote republican, this is what they're saying they stand for. And that now is not the time to stay at home and say they don't care.
If people ask about Trump, just say that they're not going to talk about the rantings of a delusional man. But they are willing to talk about how they held big pharma's feet to the fire and forced them to accept a cap on the costs of vital drugs such as insulin, which was opposed by the majority of republican representatives. Or perhaps we can discuss the jobs we created across the country in both RED and blue states. Of course the republicans in those states all voted against this bill, but we want to help ALL Americans.
Let the other Democrats take care of hitting Trump on his comments and total insanity. A two-pronged attack is the best thing here.
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