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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jul 3, 2024 11:18:37 GMT -5
Someone calls Spotsy 911 at 3am for a domestic disturbance. LE arrives on scene, sees a man inside the house pointing a gun at a woman, so he fires one shot into the house and drops the gunman. Dead.
This morning the woman, his wife, is saying her husband didn't deserve to die and wants accountability etc etc etc...
A few details she reports that the SO didn't:
Husband was decorated Marine.
She didn't call 911.
Husband had "been showing signs of PTSD lately".
He was in Richmond all day and night and came home "obviously had been drinking".
Police didn't announce when they arrived on scene.
LEO fired a shot through a window from the outside.
Just wondering what body camera footage will show and if she has Stockholm Syndrome.
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Post by minx on Jul 3, 2024 14:34:19 GMT -5
A few details the wife should emphasize
Husband had been showing signs of PSTD
He was obviously drunk
HE WAS POINTING A GUN AT HER
But yeah, deputy absolutely should have announced themselves and perhaps given an order to drop the weapon.
Sadly, I think this happens with a lot of vets who have seen combat. They can hold it together for a while, but then slip more and more into the depths. And he was probably a decent man before he was deployed. So I can see his wife trying to move heaven and earth for him.
The VA has done a really shitty job at helping the men and women who are coming home after being deployed and seeing battle. Not anything new of course - it's happened in all of the wars. Just fucking sad.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jul 3, 2024 15:48:06 GMT -5
Oh there's metric tons of shit with the VA but at the end of the day the only difference between it and private healthcare is that it's always accepting new patients.
I mean that in a serious manner with a big piece of chaw in my mouth where it gets a bit uncomfortable to attempt a tongue in cheek.
If I'm a deputy I see someone in imminent danger of death, I'm not thinking about formal introductions. That might disqualify me from being one, if all was fair and equal I suppose, I'm okay with that and obviously knew early on that want my calling for just those reasons.
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Post by minx on Jul 7, 2024 11:54:31 GMT -5
Yeah, the gun pointing pretty much negated everything else.
But to cover my bases, I would have yelled first. After all, seems like most are able to yell "Drop the gun!" as they themselves are squeezing the trigger.
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Post by k9krap on Jul 7, 2024 16:18:35 GMT -5
But who called 911? One of the kids?
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jul 8, 2024 11:16:49 GMT -5
No idea but the original story suggested it was a neighbor.
Minx, it's assumed they'll announce, or as you say order him to drop the gun. No way to predict what happens next either way. Not sure about how our local departments' protocols when it comes to something like this but given the wife's comments, I'm pretty sure we'll all know what protocols were and if they were followed. She was the one that said they didn't announce. Well, was there a commotion? You'd surely thing so, right? Like was he yelling and screaming at the time? Like I said in the OP, perhaps some body cam footage will clear up those questions.
Also, it's rare but there are times when cops will roll in to some situations "dark". In LBG we saw that several times on shots fired calls in the neighborhood across the street. No lights or sirens but 8 cop cars coming in from every side street.
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Post by minx on Jul 8, 2024 13:43:47 GMT -5
Pam, someone else outside of the house called.
And John, I can't see them saying nothing at all - they had to have yelled something before shooting.
And in a domestic violence situation like this one, waiting or knocking wouldn't have necessarily helped the situation. Usually the aggressor grabs the victim and it becomes a hostage situation. And those rarely end well.
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Post by k9krap on Jul 8, 2024 16:37:59 GMT -5
One of my high school friends was killed on a domestic violence call. He was a junior deputy for Stafford at the time and was on a ride-along during the call. I will never forget that bus ride to school the next day when I heard about it.
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Post by minx on Jul 9, 2024 10:27:54 GMT -5
There's a good reason why police hate them.
OTOH, this is yet another example of how courts have failed people.
Guy is beating the shit out of his wife.
Police arrive and it's clear an assault has taken place.
Wife goes to hospital, husband goes to jail.
Husband's out on bail the next day and happily drives by house so wife can see he's out and about. Yeah, she has a restraining order but it's not going to do much good against that psycho. And it's not like he's going to stay in jail. Safer to refuse to press charges and hopefully live to see another day.
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