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Post by Gone on Mar 28, 2016 11:35:57 GMT -5
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Post by bobathon on Mar 28, 2016 11:49:32 GMT -5
They all worship that other guy. What's his name again?  |
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Post by MF on Mar 28, 2016 19:03:29 GMT -5
I'm glad he did.... But this is still a heck of a dilemma ,,,our country was founded on religious freedom, free from persecution. . Yet we also have laws against discrimination, ,,,so who's rights get trampled ? ? |
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Post by Gone on Mar 28, 2016 19:11:59 GMT -5
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Post by Gone on Mar 28, 2016 19:19:02 GMT -5
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Post by MF on Mar 28, 2016 19:42:21 GMT -5
That is true, and I'm all for it right up until you infringe on someone else's rights... |
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Post by DA on Mar 29, 2016 17:06:32 GMT -5
That is true, and I'm all for it right up until you infringe on someone else's rights... Would you care to give an example of your concerns? |
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Post by bobathon on Mar 29, 2016 17:11:24 GMT -5
It's amazing just how much stupidity MF can pack into so few words.
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Post by MF on Mar 29, 2016 19:54:05 GMT -5
That is true, and I'm all for it right up until you infringe on someone else's rights... Would you care to give an example of your concerns? How about the woman who refused to provide a cake to the lesbian wedding,,,,, |
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Post by DA on Mar 29, 2016 20:26:32 GMT -5
What about her? What rights of hers were infringed upon?
Do you think baking a cake for a wedding is participating in it? If so, then do you think that a person who sells a gun to someone who murders someone participated in the murder, as the meme Broadcasting posted asks?
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Post by MF on Mar 29, 2016 20:47:44 GMT -5
She trounced all over their inalienable rights,,,,,.....
They were infringing on her religious beliefs....
And yes, by your example, Ford Motor company participated in plenty of murders,,
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Post by pastafari on Mar 29, 2016 21:10:26 GMT -5
SHE infringed on her own religious beliefs (if anyone did), when she decided that she wanted to open a public business. She made that trade-off as soon as she opened her doors.
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Post by bobathon on Mar 30, 2016 5:21:00 GMT -5
Exactly, it was HER CHOICE to compromise her bigoted belief system. If she can't handle the responsibilities of running a public accommodation, she should close shop.
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Post by Gone on Mar 30, 2016 7:10:11 GMT -5
MF, it's called "the cost of doing business".
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Mar 30, 2016 8:33:51 GMT -5
I don't see the line as clearly as some of you and although I don't completely agree with you-know-who, and it makes me throw up in my mouth a little to say it, but he's not entirely wrong. We all know the "we don't serve your kind here" is supposed to be all sorted out, but there's a plenty of businesses that still do, legally.
If a bakery refuses to make cakes with two brides on top, or write "Happy Anniversary Adam & Steve", to me, that's the same thing as refusing to put ketchup on hot dogs. Look it up.
Also, icky people get refused service all the time. Dress codes are kinda discriminatory no?
I wouldn't change the reasonable accomodation laws, nor do I wish to see the return of coloreds having their own entrance round back, but I do think there can be reasonable accomodation for religious business owners. I doubt anyone would throw stones at a Jewish Bakery for not drawing a cross on Granny's Wake Cake.
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Post by bobathon on Mar 30, 2016 8:42:39 GMT -5
I still haven't seen where any religion says "thou shalt not conduct business with the queers". And in our secular country, that would be the same as a religion that says "thou shalt not conduct business with the darkies". Or "the Jews", or "the Irish", or "the obese", or "wimmenz", etc, etc. As long as a customer is not disrupting the BUSINESS, the BUSINESS should serve them. These nonsense religious freedom to discriminate laws are an opening for any of that bigotry.
And if your religion requires that bigoted shit, find another line of work. Bootstraps, right?
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Mar 30, 2016 8:43:24 GMT -5
PS- This is the part of Libtardism that I hate the most. I'm so goddamned sick of it.
turning on the TV and in the previews of a new show, they just MUST make it obvious that Chad is teh gay. So. fucking. what. I remember when they tried to make a TV show about a normal upper class black family too, and all the spinoffs.
LGBT everything. You have a lifestyle that's outside of biology and laws of reproduction. Congratulations. You're fucking special. NOT!
trans this and that. Chicks with sticks and man-gash. You're a freak and your mommy fucked you up. Get over it? NO, you get over yourself. Fuck off.
There. I feel better now. Eat me. Ladies I mean, ladies, biologically, anatomically correct ladies, eat me. You gays can just bite me, on the shoe. I don't want your aids.
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Post by bobathon on Mar 30, 2016 8:44:14 GMT -5
jeez, turn off the teevee, eh?
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Mar 30, 2016 8:49:04 GMT -5
BAH HA! I just realized this was the religion fourm, Lord, I a'pologiiiize.
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Post by Gone on Mar 30, 2016 8:51:09 GMT -5
I doubt anyone would throw stones at a Jewish Bakery for not drawing a cross on Granny's Wake Cake. I would in a hot second!!! If they can put a Menorah on a wedding cake then they can put a cross on a wake cake. I knew someone who worked for a Jewish family that owned a jewelry store. For them Christmas was the most joyous time of the year.......as the owner told her "If we don't make it during the goy holiday.......we don't make it". |
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Post by bobathon on Mar 30, 2016 8:52:33 GMT -5
I doubt anyone would throw stones at a Jewish Bakery for not drawing a cross on Granny's Wake Cake. I would in a hot second!!! If they can put a Menorah on a wedding cake then they can put a cross on a wake cake. I knew someone who worked for a Jewish family that owned a jewelry store. For them Christmas was the most joyous time of the year.......as the owner told her "If we don't make it during the goy holiday.......we don't make it". Yeah, well, Jews and money. |
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Mar 30, 2016 9:02:17 GMT -5
Jew. Canoe. Only one tips.
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Post by pastafari on Mar 30, 2016 21:30:12 GMT -5
The cake thing (as I believe we've discussed before) has a few nuanced areas that are not so black and white. If the baker has made a cake and has it displayed in the window for sale, that cake is for sale to all, equally. You can't say, "Oh, you're going to take this cake and eat it at a gay wedding? Well I'm not into that, so I won't sell it to you." That cake is for sale to anyone with the funds to purchase it. OTOH, when you start to ask an artist (and I'm using the term loosely here, but there's a good argument to be made that the talent and skill necessary to make a pretty wedding cake is an art) to design something with representation of ideas that they disagree with, that's a little bit different. There's a case to be made that it infringes on the artist's first amendment rights, to an extent. I would think that a perfectly good defense would be "We don't do custom cakes, period" (Stupid fucking Paul's fucking shit-hole bakery cunt manager twat has that same philosophy) (#fuckpaulinhisdonuthole)(#IwantedtobuyadozenlemonfilleddonutswithchocolateicingformywifeandheryankeefamilybutNOOOOOtheydontdothatbecauseEWnevermindthattheyalreadyhadadozenlemonfilleddonutsjustsittingonatrayandaperfectlygoodchocolateicingtechniquereadytogoandalsonevermindthatIwantedtobuyALLTWELVEofthosemotherfuckersitsnotlikeiwasaskingthemtopumpthedonutsfullofsausageorsomeshit). All people are equally able to purchase the cake in the window, and they are all equally denied their ideas dictated onto pastry. Now if that baker happens to make a cake with a bride and groom on it and put it in the window for sale, it's for sale to anyone who wants that kind of thing. And if that baker never puts a cake with two grooms on it in the window, then they just never sell a cake with two grooms on it. Yeah, they're probably being dicks about it, but that's where your market forces come into play. If there is enough demand for gay wedding cakes, the baker will eventually have a come-to-mammon moment and sell what the market wants, or they'll go out of business. So the law shouldn't be (and I don't believe that it is) "you have to make gay wedding cakes", it should be (and I think it is), "You have to treat all your customers equally". If you do custom orders, you do custom orders.
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Post by minx on Mar 31, 2016 9:21:07 GMT -5
That was a good argument, but I need to know what your feelings are for Paul's Bakery - don't hold back now  |
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Post by bobathon on Mar 31, 2016 9:29:37 GMT -5
I recall a dust-up when a bakery refused to write "Happy Birhday Adolf Hitler" on a birthday cake. No custom order for you!
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Post by pastafari on Mar 31, 2016 20:08:15 GMT -5
That was a good argument, but I need to know what your feelings are for Paul's Bakery - don't hold back now :) Oh, was I not clear? |
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Mar 31, 2016 23:21:53 GMT -5
Paul's completes me.
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