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Nov 5, 2015 14:09:49 GMT -5
Post by rally2xs on Nov 5, 2015 14:09:49 GMT -5
Was just listening to the Sirius/XM "Progressive" channel where Tom Hartman, I believe it was, was lamenting the Trans Pacific Trade Agreement. That was really hilarious, since it was the Moron-in-Chief's concoction. Thought he could do no wrong. But in a rare display of a leftist being right, he's upset over the disadvantages that it imposes on the USA. I was waiting for some way he was going to attempt to twist it around to blame it on Republicans, although it was done exclusively by a Democrat administration, but maybe I didn't listen long enough. Dunno. Anyway, I'm still amazed that it isn't being ballyhooed all over the satellites as the greatest thing since sliced bread, just because it came from leftists.
We really need to stop this thing. Really. But of course, like everything else political, the fix is most likely "in" it will be enacted, just like bottom-of-the-barrel'er Jeb Bush will turn out to be the Republican nominee just because the Republican establishment wants him to be. Voting will turn out to be irrelevant. If he loses the voting, they'll figure a way to not abide by it, go to a "brokered" convention, and nominate Bush anyway. And Bush will win, as the RINO-in-chief because all the leftists will vote for him.
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Nov 5, 2015 15:43:38 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 15:43:38 GMT -5
Jesus tapdancing fucking Christ on a cracker... You really don't pay one god damn lick of attention to anything, do you? You realize the TPP was put on the fast track through BOTH Congress and the Senate by Republican controlled houses, don't you? And that the vast majority of opposition in the Senate (while most likely just for show as Republicans capitulated to some guys up for reelection) were Democrats.
No, of course you don't. Because you're the biggest walking example of something you say you always proclaim to hate: a partisan hack whose hatred for his apparent political opponent supersedes anything, especially hypocrisy.
Have you not fucking noticed that not a single "leftist" on this forum has sang the praises of TPP? This isn't a leftist policy. It's a corporatist policy. Something you should be jizzing all over given your penchant for slobbing on the knob of "job creators."
At least be fucking consistent, you hack.
And why in the fuck do you think leftists are going to vote for Jeb Bush? Why in the fuck, in your imaginary world du jour, would leftists not be voting for the Democrat candidate?
What the fucking hell is wrong with you? Honestly.
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Nov 5, 2015 15:56:08 GMT -5
Post by Wyatt.Earp.@ok.cor on Nov 5, 2015 15:56:08 GMT -5
What he said.
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Nov 5, 2015 16:08:45 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 16:08:45 GMT -5
Albeit much more politely, I'd imagine.
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Nov 5, 2015 16:15:58 GMT -5
Post by Wyatt.Earp.@ok.cor on Nov 5, 2015 16:15:58 GMT -5
Here is the supposed text of the abomination. Will take some time to glance thru it, but since the thing was fast tracked there will be no discussion or amendments, just a straight up Aye or aye vote. Oh, and a simple majority vote, not the 2/3 vote required by law for a treaty. They aren't calling this a treaty, that's how it got sausaged through. That and a whole lot of money changing hands. What's in your wallet?
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Nov 5, 2015 16:24:04 GMT -5
Post by rally2xs on Nov 5, 2015 16:24:04 GMT -5
Its 2000 pages according to Hartman, so yeah, it'd take a while. I'm already against it, tho, simply for the secretive environment in which it was concocted. If they have to hide it like that, you don't even have to read it to know it is a steamimg pile. If it was any good, they'd have been broadcasting it.
Oh, the leftists will vote for Jeb, I mean the mildly leftists, along with a pile of otherwise RINO Republicans, while the Republican base stays home, and that's how he'll get elected. His policies are so screwed up that it won't help us a bit, but might be a sop to the leftest psyche. Otherwise, it'll be business as usual, and we will continue at 2% GDP growth, 49 million in poverty, 94 million not in the workforce, etc. etc. Jeb is no saviour of the economy. Trump is, but we have to get him elected first.
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Nov 5, 2015 16:29:57 GMT -5
Post by minx on Nov 5, 2015 16:29:57 GMT -5
Trump is a savior of the economy? Didn't his corporations have to file bankruptcy like 4 times?
Trump knows how to make money for Trump. I don't trust him to make money for me or to let me keep my money worth a rat's ass.
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Nov 5, 2015 16:37:26 GMT -5
Post by rally2xs on Nov 5, 2015 16:37:26 GMT -5
He has several hundred corporations, and 4 of them had problems. You try to do something that complex with a 1% - 2% failure rate. Lemme know how it goes.
You have to realize that if we make this country so that it is easy for the rich to make themselves richer, they will generate much manufacturing that requires help from people who are known as "employees." That is not how the rest of us get rich, we just get into the middle class by being an employee, but for most, that is enough. Enjoying life is, for most, making enough money so you can enjoy your life doing anything other than "work."
For others, they get married to their jobs, become fabulously wealthy, but except for a blessed few like maybe pro poker players, have to have "help" to get to real wealth. The "help", again, is spelled "e-m-p-l-o-y-e-e-s." That is how we get back to prosperity for all of us, and why hating the rich and making things difficult for them is just shooting ourselves in the foot.
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Nov 5, 2015 16:39:22 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 16:39:22 GMT -5
This is literally, LITERALLY, the opposite of how the world actually works. Did you miss what happened 2 days ago?
Anyone left of center is going to vote Democrat. Even though, if the candidate is Hillary, they will be voting for someone right of center. If Sanders actually gets the nod, then, yes, leftists will be voting for an actual leftist.
Now, it is very possible (and likely) that Jeb, or someone like him, will get the GOP nod. But don't be a fucking dummy and try and say that they are in any way left. Being to the left of an obese Jesus wearing a trucker's hat while shooting the Quran with an automatic weapon does not make one a leftist.
Fuck this. What's the point in discussing this kind of crap when you pick out people's positions on the political spectrum like you're throwing a bag of marbles on one of those airport moving walkways and any marble that moves away from you is a commie socialist capitalism-h8r. Gave you, what, a month or two to try and find new life in your ramblings? Back on the silent list with you.
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Nov 5, 2015 16:47:28 GMT -5
Post by rally2xs on Nov 5, 2015 16:47:28 GMT -5
Why wouldn't the leftists vote for a guy that thinks the Feds have an interest in education to the point that he likes Common Core? Having the gov't involved to the point of Common Core is certainly leftist. He wants amnesty, which is leftist and will destroy the country most likely. I don't even know what he thinks on a great many other things, there's too many other candidates that are much better on the issues important to me to be concerned with the "Big Gov't" RINO.
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Nov 5, 2015 16:50:26 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 16:50:26 GMT -5
THE LEFTISTS WOULDN'T VOTE FOR JEB, THE REPUBLICAN, BECAUSE THEY WOULD VOTE FOR THE FUCKING DEMOCRAT WHAT ARE YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THIS YOU GOD DAMN LUNATIC.
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Nov 5, 2015 17:51:57 GMT -5
Post by bobathon on Nov 5, 2015 17:51:57 GMT -5
Damn am I glad for "IGNORE". Damn FUCKNG glad. Goober is a damned psycho and off his meds. Oofty-goofty.
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Nov 5, 2015 20:28:33 GMT -5
Post by rally2xs on Nov 5, 2015 20:28:33 GMT -5
So you think these people will elect a full blown, 95% income tax rate socialist, eh? Maybe they will ... That's almost as crazy as electing Obama in the first place. Kinda thought they might vote for Jeb so as not to completely ruin the country, but maybe they don't care.
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Nov 5, 2015 20:32:58 GMT -5
Post by rally2xs on Nov 5, 2015 20:32:58 GMT -5
THE LEFTISTS WOULDN'T VOTE FOR JEB, THE REPUBLICAN, BECAUSE THEY WOULD VOTE FOR THE FUCKING DEMOCRAT WHAT ARE YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THIS YOU GOD DAMN LUNATIC Typical liberal rude namecalling noted.
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Nov 6, 2015 7:07:23 GMT -5
Post by bobathon on Nov 6, 2015 7:07:23 GMT -5
Yep, damned glad for that ignore function. I can just tell.
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Nov 6, 2015 9:17:51 GMT -5
Post by rally2xs on Nov 6, 2015 9:17:51 GMT -5
Yep, damned glad for that ignore function. I can just tell. Just breaks my heart. Not. If I never get another vile response from you it won't bother me a bit. Maybe someone with more basic manners will come on and discuss things calmly instead of ranting like a 6th grader.
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Nov 6, 2015 12:00:16 GMT -5
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Post by pastafari on Nov 6, 2015 12:00:16 GMT -5
So you think these people will elect a full blown, 95% income tax rate socialist, eh? Maybe they will ... That's almost as crazy as electing Obama in the first place. Kinda thought they might vote for Jeb so as not to completely ruin the country, but maybe they don't care. You've already established that you don't know what Socialism is, so you clearly have no idea what Sanders' platform is, either. Read up on it before you make assumptions. I have every intention of voting for Sanders as long as I can. He wants to do what you want to do (get people out of poverty through e-m-p-l-o-y-m-e-n-t, like you said), but you think because the "S-word" is involved, that it's a bad thing. You don't understand socialism, so you don't recognize it when you see it (only when you want to) and you don't recognize the BENEFITS YOU GET from what socialism we've had in this country LOOOOOONG before Obama came along. You seem to think that, following your famous binary thinking, that "any socialism" = "only socialism", which is just not the case. Right now there's a certain ratio of capitalism:socialism in this country. The ratio is out of whack, and capitalism has been free (like a house fire) to do what it pleases, no matter how hurtful it is to the USA and her citizens. The position of the left is to tweak that ratio some, and reign capitalism back in so that it can still do what it does, but in a less hazardous way. "Republicans have consistently claimed that higher tax rates on the wealthy will hold back economic growth, while lowering rates further will spur it forward. But that’s not likely the case. Last year, economists found that the point at which the top tax rate is high enough to maximize government revenues but not so high that it discourages the rich from trying to earn more is quite high: about 95 percent for the 1 percent. History bears that out. Economists have pointed out that post-war American growth has been higher during periods with much higher top marginal tax rates and lower when tax rates were substantially lower. When the top rate was more than 90 percent in the 50s, economic growth averaged more than 4 percent a year. But recently when the top rate has been closer to 35 percent, growth has been less than 2 percent a year on average. The point of higher tax rates isn’t just to penalize the rich, of course. They would need to serve a policy function. For Sanders, that’s combatting income inequality. “If you have seen a massive transfer of wealth from the middle class to the top tenth of one percent, you’ve got to transfer that back,” he told Harwood. A 90 percent top tax rate could achieve that goal. The same economists who found that the rich can swallow a 95 percent rate also found that a 90 percent tax rate for the 1 percent could significantly reduce the Gini index, a measure of income inequality. It would also help lower wealth inequality. Meanwhile, everyone’s wellbeing would improve, rich and poor alike." Is having to control capitalism in such a way ideal? Maybe not. But that's what you have to do to prevent these people at the top 1%, who I think could be considered domestic enemies, from sucking the USA dry at the expense of her citizens. There is nobody on the right who would not result in a worse existence for American citizens. Not Jeb?, not Rubio, not Carson, certainly not Trump. I've said it before and I'll say it again; I'd rather but a bumbling, inept friend in the white house than a competent enemy.
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Nov 6, 2015 12:07:26 GMT -5
Post by bobathon on Nov 6, 2015 12:07:26 GMT -5
Let me beat him to the punch: "Facts, hell."
PS The ultimate pure, unrestrained capitalist society is a feudal serfdom.
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