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Post by rally2xs on Nov 7, 2015 13:04:11 GMT -5
Another nice sound bite from watching / listening to the news this morning - China actually has a coal useage 17% higher higher than they have been reporting, and that represents a level of 70% of all US CO2 emissions.
Just shows how little we're already emitting and how much they are emitting. (If) We could completely avoid emitting fossil fuel CO2 in this country, it wouldn't do a damn bit of good as long as China keeps belching it out at superhuman levels.
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Post by pastafari on Nov 7, 2015 14:46:42 GMT -5
Another nice sound bite from watching / listening to the news this morning - China actually has a coal useage 17% higher higher than they have been reporting, and that represents a level of 70% of all US CO2 emissions. Just shows how little we're already emitting and how much they are emitting. (If) We could completely avoid emitting fossil fuel CO2 in this country, it wouldn't do a damn bit of good as long as China keeps belching it out at superhuman levels. Not if the way we reduce it is by developing cleaner, more effective energy (by figuring out how to collect and store all of the FREE energy the sun gives us every fucking day). China would switch to that right after we did and thus reduce their CO2 emissions. |
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Post by bobathon on Nov 7, 2015 14:51:11 GMT -5
He can't see past his personal worries, fantastic as they are.
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Post by rally2xs on Nov 7, 2015 15:46:56 GMT -5
Another nice sound bite from watching / listening to the news this morning - China actually has a coal useage 17% higher higher than they have been reporting, and that represents a level of 70% of all US CO2 emissions. Just shows how little we're already emitting and how much they are emitting. (If) We could completely avoid emitting fossil fuel CO2 in this country, it wouldn't do a damn bit of good as long as China keeps belching it out at superhuman levels. Not if the way we reduce it is by developing cleaner, more effective energy (by figuring out how to collect and store all of the FREE energy the sun gives us every fucking day). China would switch to that right after we did and thus reduce their CO2 emissions. What are U talking about? We're building and have built wind energy up the wazoo - its just a big country so the massive investment is still just a fraction of the total. Takes time. And money. Solar is also under construction, both photovoltaic and solar thermal. The biggest impediment to both endeavors is... you guessed it... envirowackos, and other leftists with the "build absolutely nothing anywhere near anything" philosophy. They oppose the necessary transmission lines for both modes of power, they whine about windmills killing birds with their blades, solar-thermal killing birds with their heat beams, and photovoltaic altering "the environment" for whatever "special" bacterium that they can dredge up that will be driven into extinction by the shade cast by the PV panels. (It is impossible to please the envirowackos, so the only rational course of action is to ignore them.) We continue to build all these things, and eventually, I'm confident, we'll achieve total grid electricity via renewable energy. The need for "base load" energy will be mitigated by long distance DC power distribution lines (as long as we nuke the envirowackos that try to prevent them) and can then import wind energy from Texas when the wind energy from North Dakota stops blowing, and solar energy from the Ukraine when it is night in America. Yes, we should be able to build power transmission that goes that far. It just takes time. And money. The long pole in the tent will then become transportation. We need to get cars and trucks and airplanes and ships and so forth running on electricity. This will take a battery more powerful than currently exists. Someone needs to invent it, there's a lot of people that are trying, but we don't have it yet. We may never have it. We might have to resort so something like my proposal from 15 years ago, that we construct rail roads that carry personal vehicles and trucks on railcars, individually rather than pulled by a locomotive, and sent to their destination without stopping, at, say, 80 mph non-stop. Take a couple days to get across the country, but that should be OK. Just sit back, relax, and let PV electricity power you and your car all the way across the country. |
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Post by MF on Nov 7, 2015 19:02:28 GMT -5
I think we should trust obamma for investing in solar energy...he's done so well..
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Post by bobathon on Nov 7, 2015 19:18:33 GMT -5
I think the nation should invest in a future. We have to get off fossil fuels. We can't wait until some genius invents something in his garage*, we should lead the way. Climate change will kill us all, no matter our ideology. It's an existential threat, way more than daesh, so we should do something about it.
*Like we did for the atomic bomb. Oh wait no, like rural electrification. Oh wait no, I mean putting a man in the moon...
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Post by rally2xs on Nov 9, 2015 20:15:43 GMT -5
I think we should trust obamma for investing in solar energy...he's done so well.. We can go 100% green and with China digging coal as they are, it won't make a bit of difference. The planet will do what it is already destined to do, and our reducing our CO2 will be overwhelmed by the Chinese increasing theirs. The answer to this is to figure out how to remove CO2 from the atmosphere with machines. We could make that work. No other approach appears to be capable of having a significant effect. |
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Post by pastafari on Nov 9, 2015 20:38:11 GMT -5
WITH MACHINES!!!!
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Post by bobathon on Nov 10, 2015 6:47:02 GMT -5
Well then we should just stop trying to do anything at all, right rally? It's always someone else undoing our work, toss your hands up and give up.
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Post by rally2xs on Nov 10, 2015 7:13:14 GMT -5
Well then we should just stop trying to do anything at all, right rally? It's always someone else undoing our work, toss your hands up and give up. Yes, if you're spending cubic money to attempt something that will have the same effect as doing nothing, then you should stop spending the cubic money 'cuz you get the same result either way. And of course we've ALREADY lowered our CO2 more than anywhere else in the world anyway, so we _have_ done more than our fair share anyway. Use the cubic money to help people - no, that doesn't mean some kind of gov't handout. |
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