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Post by rally2xs on Oct 17, 2015 5:22:38 GMT -5
...of the bag.
The comeback of all the (lying) gun control nuts has always been, "Nobody's thinking about confiscating your guns." But in the recent Democratic debate, Hillary said that we should consider the Australian style gun control. Well, Australia confiscated guns. So, this is probably the 1st time she's said something that is not a lie in months.
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Post by Gone on Oct 17, 2015 6:54:11 GMT -5
...of the bag. The comeback of all the (lying) gun control nuts has always been, "Nobody's thinking about confiscating your guns." But in the recent Democratic debate, Hillary said that we should consider the Australian style gun control. Well, Australia confiscated guns. So, this is probably the 1st time she's said something that is not a lie in months. I "consider" a lot of things but thankfully there are only a few I actually act on. I just wouldn't do well in prison.
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Post by rally2xs on Oct 17, 2015 7:09:16 GMT -5
...of the bag. The comeback of all the (lying) gun control nuts has always been, "Nobody's thinking about confiscating your guns." But in the recent Democratic debate, Hillary said that we should consider the Australian style gun control. Well, Australia confiscated guns. So, this is probably the 1st time she's said something that is not a lie in months. I "consider" a lot of things but thankfully there are only a few I actually act on. I just wouldn't do well in prison. There's lotsa evil bastards in gov't right now, and living under them without being able to threaten them I think might not be worth living at all, so... I'd likely never see prison, 'cuz I'd make 'em kill me in order to get my guns. Living as a gov't slave isn't preferable to death, I think. I only act on a very small percentage of things I consider too, but I think this would be one of them I act upon. Massively violating the Bill of Rights would signal a complete abandonment of the concept of freedom in America that we all enjoy. Life just wouldn't be enjoyable after that. The gov't would be quick to seize control of all the broadcasters and allow only the liberal point of view to be expressed, and raise taxes up to European levels to "Balance the Budget" but instead of providing free everything, they'd really just be politicians stealing all the money. Hillary would end up with more wealth than Trump. And what would we be able to do about if it we couldn't shoot at them? Vote them out? They would have suspended all the elections too, don'tcha know? Obama is ALREADY massively lawless, and changes the laws that Congress wrote routinely, and illegally, and it is a bit worrisome that nobody has done a D thing about it.
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Post by bobathon on Oct 17, 2015 7:13:22 GMT -5
FEAR HER!
Now go reinforce your hunker bunker, buy more ammo and keep listening for the black helos. Any day now!
What do you need a popgun for, anyway? Living in constant fear, itching to fulfill your Bronsonesque murder fantasies?
PS Wouldn't "gun control nuts", by definition, be the most extreme people proposing any controls? Wouldn't therefore MOST people interested in gun control (80% of The People, IIRC) not be nuts? No, you will lie and say ANY measure of control is from nuts and thus designed for confiscation. You are not intellectually honest: it's just like any environmental concept you dislike is "envirowacko" driven and every social/government concept you dislike is "socialism". Lazy labeling for hate's sake!
PPS Let me get this straight: you calling people you disagree with "nuts" or "-wackos" is fine, but IT'S DOWNRIGHT DISRESPECTFUL TO CALL RALLY STUPID. Is that correct? Do I have that right? Because I would just hate to offend the stupid.
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Post by bobathon on Oct 17, 2015 7:20:35 GMT -5
I "consider" a lot of things but thankfully there are only a few I actually act on. I just wouldn't do well in prison. There's lotsa evil bastards in gov't right now, and living under them without being able to threaten them I think might not be worth living at all, so... I'd likely never see prison, 'cuz I'd make 'em kill me in order to get my guns. Living as a gov't slave isn't preferable to death, I think. I only act on a very small percentage of things I consider too, but I think this would be one of them I act upon. Massively violating the Bill of Rights would signal a complete abandonment of the concept of freedom in America that we all enjoy. Life just wouldn't be enjoyable after that. The gov't would be quick to seize control of all the broadcasters and allow only the liberal point of view to be expressed, and raise taxes up to European levels to "Balance the Budget" but instead of providing free everything, they'd really just be politicians stealing all the money. Hillary would end up with more wealth than Trump. And what would we be able to do about if it we couldn't shoot at them? Vote them out? They would have suspended all the elections too, don'tcha know? Obama is ALREADY massively lawless, and changes the laws that Congress wrote routinely, and illegally, and it is a bit worrisome that nobody has done a D thing about it. So why aren't you writing LTEs and calling you Congresscritters to IMPEACH HIM FOR HIS DEMONSTRABLE CRIMES? Spying on everyone, extrajudicial murders and other war crimes, remember? No, those are just tools, which will be useful in the right hands, correct? PS If our rights are being stolen, why aren't you and your fellow gunfuckers killing politicians? You tell us how manly you are, as you lament that nobody watches out for rights. Not that YOU would do anything, until they come for your guns. You cowardly idiot. (I hope that's more acceptable than calling you a stupid coward)
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Post by rally2xs on Oct 17, 2015 7:21:48 GMT -5
"No, you will lie and say ANY measure of control is from nuts and thus designed for confiscation."
But its not a lie. Why? Because absolutely _any_ gun control law that is _not_ confiscation will be totally ineffective. We have over 25,000 gun control laws already and _THEY_ are totally ineffective, so when they pass the next gun control law, it too will be totally ineffective. Sooo, what's next? I'll tell you what's next, the gun control nuts will say, "Well, that didn't work, so we have to do more" and they will do more, until they arrive where Hillary already has - confiscation. So, ANY sort of gun control law is just another step toward confiscation. The only way to avoid arriving at the "confiscation" idea is to stop thinking up yet the next gun control law that will be totally ineffective, as they all are.
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Post by rally2xs on Oct 17, 2015 7:25:45 GMT -5
"So why aren't you writing LTEs and calling you Congresscritters to IMPEACH HIM FOR HIS DEMONSTRABLE CRIMES?"
Because it is futile for 2 reasons.
First, because the Democrats have enough people in Congress that are willing to ignore the Constitution and support the President's lawlessness to make it impossible to get an impeachment and second, because RINO Republican leadership is too spineless to even attempt it anyway. A third reason that is operable at this point is that there isn't enough of his reign left to be able to effect much by removing him, since it would take so long to do we'd likely only save ourselves from 5 or 6 months of he term. Too much work for too little gain.
Democrat willingness to ignore the Constitution is ANOTHER reason that we should know that life after being disarmed by the gov't would be total tyranny. North Korea would probably appear free by comparison.
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Post by rally2xs on Oct 17, 2015 7:27:38 GMT -5
"PS If our rights are being stolen, why aren't you and your fellow gunfuckers killing politicians? You tell us how manly you are, as you lament that nobody watches out for rights."
We still hold out hope that this can be resolved by peaceful means, mainly at the next election. An attempt at total confiscation would probably change everyone's mind on that point, tho.
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Post by bobathon on Oct 17, 2015 8:05:15 GMT -5
Goddamn, you are so fucking stupid. You are being kept afraid by propagandists. You see humanity in stark contrasts with absolutely no middle ground. Cartoon world.
Now, where the fuck is that "ignore" function? Christ Alfuckingmighty.
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Post by pastafari on Oct 17, 2015 14:29:42 GMT -5
IIRC, we left off FT at the point where Rally was either wrong because the military and other sworn officers wouldn't participate in the confiscation and therefore there would be no confiscation, or because the military and other sworn officers would participate in the confiscation and therefore he's stand no chance of defending his guns.
Ever figure that one out, Rally?
OH, please. Do you think the Australians really feel like "government slaves"? Do you think the Japanese feel like "government slaves"? The Swedes? The Scots?
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Post by rally2xs on Oct 17, 2015 14:42:34 GMT -5
IIRC, we left off FT at the point where Rally was either wrong because the military and other sworn officers wouldn't participate in the confiscation and therefore there would be no confiscation, or because the military and other sworn officers would participate in the confiscation and therefore he's stand no chance of defending his guns. Ever figure that one out, Rally? OH, please. Do you think the Australians really feel like "government slaves"? Do you think the Japanese feel like "government slaves"? The Swedes? The Scots? I think the N. Koreans do, and the Cubans, and the Chinese, and the Russians, and a whale of a lot of S-Hole 3rd wild country's citizens. With the characteristic violence and greed already built into our system, the worst sort of tyranny would be virtually guaranteed. After all, look at the tyranny we already have, then imagine we have no way at all to resist.
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Post by pastafari on Oct 17, 2015 15:39:11 GMT -5
Based on what you just said, you must think that the ONLY difference between the US and North Korea (or Cuba or China or Russia) is our guns. Without our guns, we turn into them, right?
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Post by rally2xs on Oct 17, 2015 15:57:08 GMT -5
Based on what you just said, you must think that the ONLY difference between the US and North Korea (or Cuba or China or Russia) is our guns. Without our guns, we turn into them, right? Maybe, maybe not. Wouldn't take the chance.
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Post by pastafari on Oct 17, 2015 16:05:10 GMT -5
Based on what you just said, you must think that the ONLY difference between the US and North Korea (or Cuba or China or Russia) is our guns. Without our guns, we turn into them, right? Maybe, maybe not. Wouldn't take the chance. Seriously. Why would you think we're more like North Korea than Australia? More like China than Scotland? Why do you think the American people are so weak as to devolve those kinds of existence with nothing more than the removal of guns? I know why, because you're a coward. But I blame Fox News for making you that way. One day you might, too.
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Post by rally2xs on Oct 17, 2015 16:13:30 GMT -5
Maybe, maybe not. Wouldn't take the chance. Seriously. Why would you think we're more like North Korea than Australia? More like China than Scotland? Why do you think the American people are so weak as to devolve those kinds of existence with nothing more than the removal of guns? I know why, because you're a coward. But I blame Fox News for making you that way. One day you might, too. Haven't you noticed the corruption in government, the rampant lawlessness of the President, the failure of Congress to exert its Constitutional role to put a stop to these things? We risk a totalitarian existence right now even with our guns. Without them, evil men would simply enslave the nation. Probably.
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Post by pastafari on Oct 17, 2015 19:41:10 GMT -5
Corruption is government is not tyranny. It's bad, but it's not tyranny. And it's not unique to the United States. I'm sure a quick google seach would turn up plenty in Australia and Scotland. I haven't seen rampant lawlessness from the President. Some, sure, but not rampant. Not tyrant-level lawlessness. And also not unique to the United States. There's nothing near "totalitarian" about any of it. And even if it did, the piddly guns you have would do NOTHING to stop it, remember?
You can't run from the fact that either the "totalitarian tyrant" you're so afraid of would either dramatically outgun you with the power of the US military, OR it wouldn't have the support of the US military, which would be fighting against the tyrant and wouldn't need your piddly peashooters to help them. Neither scenario requires you to own a gun.
So your "I need guns to defend my country" argument is bullshit from every angle.
You still have some position with the "I need a gun to defend myself", in the EXTREMELY unlikely event that you're ever mugged. Maybe. However, the statistics seem to show that you're more likely to shoot yourself or a loved one than a "bad guy" (what did you post up, 12 anecdotes over a 16 year period?). I'm pretty willing to sacrifice your life to that mugger for the overall benefit society gains by changing gun ownership from a right to a privilege.
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Post by rally2xs on Oct 17, 2015 22:09:27 GMT -5
Corruption is government is not tyranny. It's bad, but it's not tyranny. And it's not unique to the United States. I'm sure a quick google seach would turn up plenty in Australia and Scotland. I haven't seen rampant lawlessness from the President. Some, sure, but not rampant. Not tyrant-level lawlessness. And also not unique to the United States. There's nothing near "totalitarian" about any of it. And even if it did, the piddly guns you have would do NOTHING to stop it, remember? You can't run from the fact that either the "totalitarian tyrant" you're so afraid of would either dramatically outgun you with the power of the US military, OR it wouldn't have the support of the US military, which would be fighting against the tyrant and wouldn't need your piddly peashooters to help them. Neither scenario requires you to own a gun. So your "I need guns to defend my country" argument is bullshit from every angle. You still have some position with the "I need a gun to defend myself", in the EXTREMELY unlikely event that you're ever mugged. Maybe. However, the statistics seem to show that you're more likely to shoot yourself or a loved one than a "bad guy" (what did you post up, 12 anecdotes over a 16 year period?). I'm pretty willing to sacrifice your life to that mugger for the overall benefit society gains by changing gun ownership from a right to a privilege. Virtually everything you've said there is not true, and this is an old, old theme that I got tired of about 15 years ago anyway. Sooo... I'm not going thru it line by line. I only do that for the Fair Tax now. The bottom line is that the decades old lie from the left, that they don't want to collect up our guns, has been revealed to be just that, a lie. Again, we're not going to put up with it. If you want to see general insurrection and lots of people shooting at each other, then just try it.
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Post by bobathon on Oct 18, 2015 5:04:17 GMT -5
He is lying. He wants guns so he can murder. That's their purpose and that's what he wants. Claiming they are for self defense or anti-tyranny are smoke screens for his real desire. Just as everyone who wants the smallest control truly wants to take guns, so too do handgun ownership defenders truly want to kill people. And they will invent any reason to protect that murderous goal. There are only two kinds of people: gun grabbers and murderers.
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Post by pastafari on Oct 18, 2015 20:03:55 GMT -5
Again, we're not going to put up with it. If you want to see general insurrection and lots of people shooting at each other, then just try it. You will ALL die. Shit, maybe that's the solution... I mean, you've been advocating genocide here for the longest time. Maybe you're right. Maybe all you gun nuts need to die to make the world a better place. You know, kill you before you kill us. I'm just jerkin' your chain, of course, but for real, you would all lose your asses in a matter of days if the government ever committed to confiscating your guns.
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Post by rally2xs on Oct 18, 2015 20:27:21 GMT -5
Again, we're not going to put up with it. If you want to see general insurrection and lots of people shooting at each other, then just try it. You will ALL die. Shit, maybe that's the solution... I mean, you've been advocating genocide here for the longest time. Maybe you're right. Maybe all you gun nuts need to die to make the world a better place. You know, kill you before you kill us. I'm just jerkin' your chain, of course, but for real, you would all lose your asses in a matter of days if the government ever committed to confiscating your guns. A story from the 90's has it that Bill Clinton asked the DoD what it would take to collect up all the guns. They went and gave it to the war college, that studied it for a number of weeks, and came back with: "You can't do it. The Marines and the elite forces would refuse orders, and the National Guard would probably fight on the side of the citizens. There are only X number of men under arms right now, and 3.5 million combat veterans amongst the citizenry would defeat the US Army in 6 weeks." That's just 3.5 million. And there's a helluva lot more guns in society now than there were in the 90's. A guerilla war on the part of the remainder of the citizens who are not "combat veterans" would win by attrition. We kill one of them, they kill 10 of us, they still run out of soldiers waaaaaay before we run out of patriots.
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Post by pastafari on Oct 18, 2015 20:37:50 GMT -5
Mmm hm. Sauce?
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Post by pastafari on Oct 18, 2015 20:39:57 GMT -5
I'm googling all kinds of thing, and I can't find anything supporting that apparent fiction.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 20:40:10 GMT -5
You will ALL die. Shit, maybe that's the solution... I mean, you've been advocating genocide here for the longest time. Maybe you're right. Maybe all you gun nuts need to die to make the world a better place. You know, kill you before you kill us. I'm just jerkin' your chain, of course, but for real, you would all lose your asses in a matter of days if the government ever committed to confiscating your guns. A story from the 90's has it... Surprise, an anecdotal fairy tale of jack-booted thugs. So what's the big fuckin' deal anyways, you lunatic? You keep screaming about how the big bad government is coming to take your guns, but, as you literally just pointed out, you don't believe (as do I) that it's ever going to happen. WTF is wrong with you?
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Post by rally2xs on Oct 18, 2015 20:49:58 GMT -5
I'm googling all kinds of thing, and I can't find anything supporting that apparent fiction. Its a story that went around 15 - 20 years ago. It may or may not be true. Either way, I think that's how it would go down. No matter how well equipped your army, getting massively outnumbered counts for a lot. And of course you can't, as a US soldier, go shelling a suburb of Skokie, Il, so if a patriot that hits you happens to live there, you're going to have to go get him in person. That is opportunity for yet some more casualties on the side of the forces of evil. Eventually, like I said, evil is going to run out of people just like socialists run out of other people's money.
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Post by rally2xs on Oct 18, 2015 20:52:15 GMT -5
A story from the 90's has it... Surprise, an anecdotal fairy tale of jack-booted thugs. So what's the big fuckin' deal anyways, you lunatic? You keep screaming about how the big bad government is coming to take your guns, but, as you literally just pointed out, you don't believe (as do I) that it's ever going to happen. WTF is wrong with you? I don't believe its going to happen because they know they're already beaten due to being massively outnumbered. OTOH, if we allow them to incrementally reduce the number of guns in society to a few, then they will confiscate those remaining few with impugnity, since (armed) citizens will no longer massively outnumber the forces of evil.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 21:00:02 GMT -5
Must be a strange world to live in. The one in your head that is.
To be born into the most privileged persona at any time in the history of humanity, and yet so terrified of imaginary threats when so much of the rest of the world has to worry about actual dangers to their safety/livelihood.
A shame, really. That you have to invent things to make yourself feel like you're actually somewhat challenged in this life.
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Post by bobathon on Oct 19, 2015 7:15:25 GMT -5
Fuck, he can't even tell us what tyranny is. In fact, a sensible US tyrant would not even bother rounding up the popguns. Let the People kill each other, there is no way they are a threat to the Overlords. Let the People imagine they have some power by being able to kill each other. So hey, we could be under a tyranny and yet be overrun with fully "armed" civilians.
PS Rally, did you get a car with wifi in it, or Siri? That just makes it way easier for the drone to target. I just don't get how you are rabidly paranoid in some senses, and yet complacent in so many others. Ah well, I never pursued higher education in abnormal psychology, though I find it fascinating. So remember, the government can track the hell out of you, and will blow THINGS up because they are associated with a targeted individual.
PPS Rally, because you think anyone should have guns, you intend to murder someone. I know it. Just like any mention of controls = confiscation, any mention of want = murderous intent. So you fair and balanced murderer, keep your head down - the feebs read these threads too, and you already indicated a willingness to violently overthrow the government.
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Post by rally2xs on Oct 19, 2015 7:20:25 GMT -5
Much wiser men than any of us (the founding fathers) felt this same way, so I am happy to be in their company and distrusting gov't.
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Post by bobathon on Oct 19, 2015 7:48:48 GMT -5
The Founders had weapons comparable to the contemporary military. How do your's compare to your contemporary military forces? Can you go up against our military? Of course not, so you and the Founders part ways quickly. Hell, at least they TRIED, and put their lives on the line, while you and your fellow thumbsuckers talk big about breaking out a 2nd Amendment solution but then you wait until maybe the moment is just right.
Y'all are the archetypal WATBs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2015 8:35:48 GMT -5
Much wiser men than any of us (the founding fathers) felt this same way, so I am happy to be in their company and distrusting gov't. Uhhh, no, they didn't feel the same way. Again, must be real nice living in that fantasy world of yours.
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