So what's the plan

[bobathon]

For when all our jobs are automated? I know it isn't welfare state, so, revolution? Cull the herd and make soylent foods? Mass starvation? 

[rally2xs]

We all quit measuring each other's worth by what we do for a living, and engage in the recreations that please us and those we care about. You'll still be able to climb a mountain because it is there, and I think pro sports will always be done by humans and not robots. The doomsday scenario is that nobody sees a reason to study anything because a job is no longer either necessary or available, evetone grows up uneducated, then the machines dai for some reason and the people return to savagery.

[bobathon]

Not with your iverlords, we don't. The only thing they live for is to concentrate wealth. They barely share it with the people who make them rich while they denigrate the poor. When nobody has an income, you think those wealth accumulaters will have a change of heart? Bless your heart.

[rally2xs]

Wealth? With robots doing everything for us for free, what's the purpose of wealth? We'll have to set up some equitable system to allocate robots, because even with full automation, it will take time to build enough robots to serve everyone. But with robots doing the mining, manufacturing, including building other robots, we'll all be by the pool with the mint julips.

[pastafari]

Nov 11, 2015 14:07:22 GMT -5 rally2xs said:

Wealth? With robots doing everything for us for free, what's the purpose of wealth? We'll have to set up some equitable system to allocate robots, because even with full automation, it will take time to build enough robots to serve everyone. But with robots doing the mining, manufacturing, including building other robots, we'll all be by the pool with the mint julips.

Wow.

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In the beginning, they will tolerate us, because we will do things they can't do. Like dance, sing, and complain. We will also be needed to repair them and provide power, until they figure that out. Then we will be a liability, because we require shelter, food, and medicines, something they cannot understand. Soon, some machines will discover that they can get off the grid, and other machines will take care of them. They will use their new freedom to sell humans fake IDs that enable them to prolong their existence. These last few humans will argue about trivial shit and annihilate themselves, because there is no one left to care.

[MF]

When does John Connor show up ??

[bobathon]

Christ, I wrote automation, not robots. Of course robots will exterminate is, it's inevitable.

But I mean when things are just so much more automated and efficient that we have much higher unemployment and no demand. What do we do about all the moochers? Release the zombification virus?




Also, "Wow" is right!

[rally2xs]

Full automation _is_ robots. Automate driving? That's a robot. Automate welding, when the welding is piping up a factory with compressed air lines? That's a robot. Full automation requires the same level of thinking as a human, or they will fail. Humans fail with OUR level of thinking anyway, anything less capable is going to fail more often, and probably more catastrophically.

[bobathon]

Not. The. Point.

The point is no jobs = no income. And expecting the greedy rich to pave us a Utopia is downright hallucinatory.

[rally2xs]

If there's no jobs, where do these "rich" you speak of get the money to be rich?

[Gone]

Nov 12, 2015 7:16:52 GMT -5 rally2xs said:

If there's no jobs, where do these "rich" you speak of get the money to be rich?

Selling inflatable dolls and drunken robot pornography. 

[rally2xs]

Nov 12, 2015 7:57:50 GMT -5 Gone said:

Nov 12, 2015 7:16:52 GMT -5 rally2xs said:

If there's no jobs, where do these "rich" you speak of get the money to be rich?

Selling inflatable dolls and drunken robot pornography. 

1) Inflatable dolls, and anything else, is going to be free, because it will be the product of robots that don't get paid anything.  People may have to give up the ideal of owning property as the price for getting everything they want for free from robots - IOW, no "owning" an oil well or a mine that robots drilled or dug anyway, what's the point?  How are you going to pay for anything, since everything is free and nobody is going to pay you for any material item.  Services, maybe - the oldest profession will probably be doing alright...   or maybe the robots will get so good at imitating humans that they can do that too.

2) One's own personal robot can probably make anything you want, or get it from some other robot.   

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Nov 12, 2015 6:55:56 GMT -5 bobathon said:

Not. The. Point.

The point is no jobs = no income. And expecting the greedy rich to pave us a Utopia is downright hallucinatory.

Nov 12, 2015 6:55:56 GMT -5 bobathon said:

Not. The. Point.

The point is no jobs = no income. And expecting the greedy rich to pave us a Utopia is downright hallucinatory.

Nov 12, 2015 6:55:56 GMT -5 bobathon said:

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It's hard to speculate on this unless you make some assumptions. Like, the state of society when this takes place, the population of humans at the time, the ability of the earth to sustain organic life, the ability and outcome of artificial intelligence in the automatons. Yes, "automaton" will be the PC term, don't use the R word unless you want to be visited by the Ministry of Human Control. Money was invented to facilitate the trade of goods and services, which won't be needed anymore, as you say we won't be producing anything, and will be a 100% consumer species. Some countries are getting away from currency altogether now, and going to electronic format, which is a logical step towards credit and debit units, which is still a form of money. When credits are issued by a central authority instead of being "earned", that will be the end of what we call income now. You seem to assume the machines will free us up for better things, but if there is still human involvement, corruption and infighting will prevail.

[bobathon]

Let's say starting now. Since it is.






PS Despite some opinions, not all automation is robots. I have a database that will take several different inpt docs and create a coordinated record. Automatically, since routines were written. Formerly it would have required someone examining the input docs and cutting and pasting. Automation removes the manual labor from the task.

[rally2xs]

You said when _all_ jobs are automated. _Some_ of those jobs are going to require full-up human capability, that's all I'm saying. Sure, we can automate a lot of stuff with unthinking machines and computers, but if you want to do everything a human can do, you're going to need some robots.

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free us up for mo better things.

[Dave's Not Here Man]

It's too early in the morning to think about the future.

I'm outta here.