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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jul 18, 2016 14:12:12 GMT -5
You do not have the right to remain silent unless you articulate it, and still, maybe not so much. Routine traffic stop being one in which they are fishing for more than they stopped you for. I assume the correct answer to "Do you know why I stopped you?" is "Because you want to play a guessing game?". Just some fine upstanding respectful professionals doing their jobs. And people wonder.... Nazi ficking Germany.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jul 18, 2016 14:22:32 GMT -5
Why then in a boatload of these cases then, are they; dismissed? charges dropped? officers suspended? ACLU get involved? lawsuits? judgements? settlements?
The answer is because they are idiots with badges who after all of this STILL don't understand what their job actually is and what limitations there actually are on their authority + they are responsible for THEIR actions, not yours.
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Post by bobathon on Jul 18, 2016 14:42:27 GMT -5
There is no magic set of actions you can take to prevent a beat down.
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Post by MF on Jul 18, 2016 18:41:49 GMT -5
Thank you......I rest my argument,,,, What would have happened if he had gotten out of the car and complied with what he was told ?
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Post by MF on Jul 18, 2016 18:50:52 GMT -5
Unarmed is never a legitimate threat. And what makes it unreasonable to require an actual weapon to be present before deciding something is a threat? That means, for the cop, until they frisk them, EVERYONE is armed and a threat. So "train cops to fear and be paranoid", CHECK! And if Joe Citizen shoots a neighbor because he couldn't see his hands (and so the neighbor was armed and dangerous), he's probably getting charged. Strange how the rules change. PS It's not reasonable to assume someone is armed if you can't see any weapon. Einstein, how do you know he is unarmed if he doesn't show you his hands ? Then it comes down to who is going home to be with their family ? If there is only one answer it sounds like you would have the other guy go home and you go to the morgue, ,,,, Good choice, ,,,,,
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Post by Gone on Jul 18, 2016 19:45:52 GMT -5
Thank you......I rest my argument,,,, What would have happened if he had gotten out of the car and complied with what he was told ? What would have happened "IF" the police officer had done his job in a professional manner and showed this kid a little respect and human compassion? "If" the officer had maybe his ass wouldn't be sitting in prison!!!!!
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Post by MF on Jul 18, 2016 19:51:13 GMT -5
Thank you......I rest my argument,,,, What would have happened if he had gotten out of the car and complied with what he was told ? What would have happened "IF" the police officer had done his job in a professional manner and showed this kid a little respect and human compassion? "If" the officer had maybe his ass wouldn't be sitting in prison!!!!! Now tell me again, what would have happened if the kid had done what he was told to do ?
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jul 18, 2016 22:34:49 GMT -5
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Post by MF on Jul 19, 2016 8:39:15 GMT -5
What would have happened "IF" the police officer had done his job in a professional manner and showed this kid a little respect and human compassion? "If" the officer had maybe his ass wouldn't be sitting in prison!!!!! Now tell me again, what would have happened if the kid had done what he was told to do ? I'll answer for you.....there is no way of knowing what would have happened..... But I would bet it would have gone a whole lot better than it did..
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Post by MF on Jul 20, 2016 13:05:30 GMT -5
Unarmed is never a legitimate threat. And what makes it unreasonable to require an actual weapon to be present before deciding something is a threat? That means, for the cop, until they frisk them, EVERYONE is armed and a threat. So "train cops to fear and be paranoid", CHECK! And if Joe Citizen shoots a neighbor because he couldn't see his hands (and so the neighbor was armed and dangerous), he's probably getting charged. Strange how the rules change. PS It's not reasonable to assume someone is armed if you can't see any weapon. Einstein, how do you know he is unarmed if he doesn't show you his hands ? Then it comes down to who is going home to be with their family ? If there is only one answer it sounds like you would have the other guy go home and you go to the morgue, ,,,, Good choice, ,,,,, Yep, I have to admit,,,Bob was right again.. "It is not reasonable to assume someone is armed if you can't see any weapon" That might apply to your govt desk job, but absolutely not for the Police ! ! YOU NEVER KNOW.. Good thing you're not a cop..you would be as bad as you were a leader of your own country! DEAD....
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