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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jul 14, 2016 11:28:24 GMT -5
www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/07/14/485999643/bodycam-video-shows-police-shooting-of-unarmed-19-year-old-in-fresnoCan anyone point out to me exactly in this video where the cops' lives were in danger? I mean, yeah, the kid was reaching behind his back, but shouldn't a weapon be produced and confirmed instead of assuming there is one? And what the ACTUAL fuck danger was he on his back on the ground in that position, even if he had a gun in his waistband, which again, he freaking didn't. Good job cops. Good kill. Go home and take your wiives and kids out for some ice cream. The streets belong to you. You fucking maggots.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jul 14, 2016 11:49:45 GMT -5
I saw this yesterday when it was first released as part of a media briefing of sorts by the police chief. If you look it up you'll see where he runs the video and makes commentary on it the entire time, justifying every single drop of sweat to every trigger pull from the officers. He might as well have had the medals of valor and commendations in hand.
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Post by MF on Jul 14, 2016 11:54:03 GMT -5
IF you were a cop, would you take the chance of him not having a gun?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 12:24:16 GMT -5
Hard to understand why this happened. If you wanted to make a training film about how to guarantee being shot at a traffic stop, this would be it. Looking back, like Captain Hindsight would, they might back off out of handgun range, and make sure he does not leave. He was out of the vehicle, and it looked like there was no one else near. He did advance on them, and was very obviously trying to provoke them into doing something. I'm not sure you want the poleece backing away from every encounter, but it should be an option. To me it seems that the 3 occifers made some sort of mutual commitment at some point that this would escalate, but then again I wasn't there. I wish I knew what precipitated the stop, and other things, but I don't.
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Post by bobathon on Jul 14, 2016 12:28:44 GMT -5
I would like the po-po to THINK.
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Post by sipowitz86 on Jul 14, 2016 12:39:44 GMT -5
They probably ordered him to pull his pants up, then he reached for the waistband and, bam, dead.
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Post by sipowitz86 on Jul 14, 2016 12:41:12 GMT -5
I'm not sure you want the poleece backing away from every encounter, but it should be an option. Again, just like how gun violence, and suicide with a gun are only so common in America, so is suicide by cop. Heck, other countries' cops can even manage to take down an ARMED suicide by copper without shooting anybody.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jul 14, 2016 12:44:08 GMT -5
Hard to understand why this happened. If you wanted to make a training film about how to guarantee being shot at a traffic stop, this would be it. Looking back, like Captain Hindsight would, they might back off out of handgun range, and make sure he does not leave. He was out of the vehicle, and it looked like there was no one else near. He did advance on them, and was very obviously trying to provoke them into doing something. I'm not sure you want the poleece backing away from every encounter, but it should be an option. To me it seems that the 3 occifers made some sort of mutual commitment at some point that this would escalate, but then again I wasn't there. I wish I knew what precipitated the stop, and other things, but I don't. I think the escalation was decided upon when the cop pulled his gun and pointed it in the windshield while in pursuit. As far as the stop, the truck was supposedly speeding and/or driving erratically. If you look at the truck it was also a heap, which is like candy to a fat kid for cops. And yes, he obviously was provoking them. However, with several officers on the scene, none had a non lethal option at the ready. I would expect that only in cases of imminent danger to the officers would the use of deadly force be the one and only option. Yes, this kid was playing stupid games and he won a stupid prize. However, without the presence of any weapon, not even a fake one, the suspicion of which was the entire premise on which the shooting is based, highlights the worst of what cops do in situations they don't have the mental capacity nor the courage to manage.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jul 14, 2016 12:49:51 GMT -5
PS- If I was a cop, I'd like to think that I would try to diffuse the situation be being calm and trying to talk to the kid. The snipers have my back so why not try to save a life that's not mine? Why not try to serve and protect someone besides myself?
I don't need to be a hero. So I guess that's why I never got into LE.
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Post by Gone on Jul 14, 2016 13:00:10 GMT -5
Then we see British cops disarm a man armed with a machete by using a garbage can. In this country a guy with a 3 inch pocket knife gets shot 10+ times.
I was telling John on FB that it would suck to be stopped by cops if you were hearing impaired, had a medical emergency (CVA,diabetic problem, etc), or mental health problems........totally screwed if you are black with one of those issues.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 13:06:56 GMT -5
Yes, easy looking back but there's no rewind in real life. It seems like this was a perfect opportunity to run a delaying tactic when he was out of the vehicle, and wait for a dog. Turn the dog loose, and see if he wants to argue with him. Better than letting the situation escalate, but everyone is smart running the film with no skin in the game.It's only a matter of time before our local yayhoos start carrying detonators instead of shooters. The enemy is amongst us now, and with the IDF training our poleece brass, expect some unusual things.
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Post by bobathon on Jul 14, 2016 13:11:40 GMT -5
Comply NOW or die now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 16:38:33 GMT -5
Teach our guys to shoot like this? I seen Cisco do this a hunnert times.
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Post by MF on Jul 14, 2016 17:25:25 GMT -5
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Post by pastafari on Jul 14, 2016 23:30:06 GMT -5
Cops should never have to put their lives in risk until it's time to collect the credit for doing so.
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Post by Gone on Jul 15, 2016 6:53:44 GMT -5
The war on drugs is to blame for a huge part of the escalation and militarization of the police. Desperate people will do desperate things to get what they physically and mentally crave.
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Post by bobathon on Jul 15, 2016 7:07:31 GMT -5
And outright thievery. Oops, I mean "asset forfeiture".
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Post by DA on Jul 16, 2016 18:03:32 GMT -5
I saw a video the other day where cops pulled over a guy, and when trying to get the guy out of the car, within an instant the guy pulled out a gun, shot at the police and ran. In the case of the one you posted about, I believe this shooting was justified. The guy had a death wish and it was granted.
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Post by DA on Jul 16, 2016 18:34:15 GMT -5
Here is an article which I found to be quite interesting, and on point for much of it. Pull finger.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jul 16, 2016 19:12:03 GMT -5
I beg to disagree and am inclined to call bullshit.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jul 16, 2016 19:19:04 GMT -5
People are all different and they react differently to police encounters depending on a million things.. If cops can't deal with that, they should be driving a school bus or doing a job where they can't legally victimize someone for not kissing their badges.
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Post by MF on Jul 16, 2016 20:35:52 GMT -5
Here is an article which I found to be quite interesting, and on point for much of it. Pull finger.Excellent article,,,,for 99.9% of all officers and encounters,,,,
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Post by MF on Jul 16, 2016 20:41:05 GMT -5
All 4 examples of BS clearly show the suspects disobeying the police officers,,,,
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Post by Gone on Jul 17, 2016 7:05:21 GMT -5
I beg to disagree and am inclined to call bullshit. Ditto!!! Cops need to learn how to respect the people who pay their freaking salary. I have had several encounters with police where they were very professional. I have had two encounters where they were total complete assholes.
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Post by DA on Jul 17, 2016 7:19:51 GMT -5
To what are you playing the BS card?
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Post by DA on Jul 17, 2016 7:38:52 GMT -5
I beg to disagree and am inclined to call bullshit. Ditto!!! Cops need to learn how to respect the people who pay their freaking salary. I have had several encounters with police where they were very professional. I have had two encounters where they were total complete assholes. On your bad encounters, did you get beat up or assaulted? What were the circumstances for the stops? How did you act during the stops? Just wondering because of all the times I have been stopped or been in a car that has been stopped, I've only really had 1 "bad" encounter, and that was at a DUI checkpoint where the cop lied and said he smelled alcohol on me, which was a blatant lie as I had nothing to drink that evening. Even the two times I was put in cuffs, I wasn't treated poorly and was eventually released to go on my way because I hadn't done anything wrong. I was scared but didn't move fast, talk shit, or act like an ass, and wasn't treated like a scumbag because of it. When my friend and I were stopped after leaving a bar in TJ I was really scared! We eventually walked away from that too, and immediately left TJ. Respect is earned, and if one isn't deserving of it, even if they are "paying" their salary, why should they get it? That goes both ways too; if a cop earns my respect, he will get it. The lying cop didn't get or deserve my respect due to his lies.
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Post by MF on Jul 17, 2016 8:23:49 GMT -5
Ditto!!! Cops need to learn how to respect the people who pay their freaking salary. I have had several encounters with police where they were very professional. I have had two encounters where they were total complete assholes. On your bad encounters, did you get beat up or assaulted? What were the circumstances for the stops? How did you act during the stops? Just wondering because of all the times I have been stopped or been in a car that has been stopped, I've only really had 1 "bad" encounter, and that was at a DUI checkpoint where the cop lied and said he smelled alcohol on me, which was a blatant lie as I had nothing to drink that evening. Even the two times I was put in cuffs, I wasn't treated poorly and was eventually released to go on my way because I hadn't done anything wrong. I was scared but didn't move fast, talk shit, or act like an ass, and wasn't treated like a scumbag because of it. When my friend and I were stopped after leaving a bar in TJ I was really scared! We eventually walked away from that too, and immediately left TJ. Respect is earned, and if one isn't deserving of it, even if they are "paying" their salary, why should they get it? That goes both ways too; if a cop earns my respect, he will get it. The lying cop didn't get or deserve my respect due to his lies. PUT IN CUFFS ? ? ? lol....they didn't cuff me when they were ready to shoot me.....
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Post by Gone on Jul 17, 2016 9:16:07 GMT -5
All 4 examples of BS clearly show the suspects disobeying the police officers,,,, Yes, remember the driver in Fredericksburg who did not obey the officer's commands? He was tased, pepper sprayed, dragged out of his car, thrown to the pavement, handcuffed, and then taken to the hospital where he was diagnosed as having had a massive CVA.
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Post by Gone on Jul 17, 2016 9:24:44 GMT -5
Ditto!!! Cops need to learn how to respect the people who pay their freaking salary. I have had several encounters with police where they were very professional. I have had two encounters where they were total complete assholes. On your bad encounters, did you get beat up or assaulted? What were the circumstances for the stops? How did you act during the stops? Just wondering because of all the times I have been stopped or been in a car that has been stopped, I've only really had 1 "bad" encounter, and that was at a DUI checkpoint where the cop lied and said he smelled alcohol on me, which was a blatant lie as I had nothing to drink that evening. Even the two times I was put in cuffs, I wasn't treated poorly and was eventually released to go on my way because I hadn't done anything wrong. I was scared but didn't move fast, talk shit, or act like an ass, and wasn't treated like a scumbag because of it. When my friend and I were stopped after leaving a bar in TJ I was really scared! We eventually walked away from that too, and immediately left TJ. Respect is earned, and if one isn't deserving of it, even if they are "paying" their salary, why should they get it? That goes both ways too; if a cop earns my respect, he will get it. The lying cop didn't get or deserve my respect due to his lies. Where you DWB?
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Post by bobathon on Jul 17, 2016 9:25:06 GMT -5
That's back in the news. The cop who tased the guy is suing Fredtown for besmirching his good name (now he works for Spotsy Sheriff). Because even though The Big Book O'Fredburg Cop Rules says not to tase someone who's behind the wheel, nobody stopped Officer Electro. And further, if it please the Court, nuh-unh, dude was healthy as a ox!
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