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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 23, 2016 16:12:55 GMT -5
For true dat.
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Post by DA on Sept 23, 2016 17:40:53 GMT -5
I had speaks with my yoots. Still, there are no specific actions anyone can take that guarantee a cop won't shoot them. And that's not how it ought to be. So let's keep Imperial encounters to a minimum. There are actions that can cause a situation to escalate though, and just about in each one of these situations where someone is getting shot, the people being stopped are doing stupid shit. Do they deserve to die for the stupid shit they do? No, but they keep on doing stupid shit, knowing full well what has happened in the past. How do they screw up something as easy as being arrested, or questioned? |
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Post by bobathon on Sept 23, 2016 18:52:38 GMT -5
Well, of the cops and regular citizens, which group gets trained on how to deal with these encounters? Doing exactly what you are told sometimes gets you shot, so what the hell are we supposed to do about that?
The cops should be able to take a breath and back off, it doesn't have to "bring him in nownownow dead or alive". What's the rush? And what's with multiple cops yelling conflicting commands? Someone is supposed to be able to de-escalate, why can't that be part of what the cops do? And I have seen them talk to armed and threatening guys, and managed to talk them down...and I've seen five armed cops gun down some non-threatening lunatic clumsily stumbling with a pocket knife. Choices.
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Post by pasta on Sept 23, 2016 23:07:15 GMT -5
Not to belabor the point because I've said that exact thing many times. In fact, if you know me at all you've seen me post "Why no funeral parade for electricians?". But that's a societal thing, and maybe even a cop culture thing, but it's not an employee handbook thing. Again, there is no signed contract or statute that obligates a LE officer to surrender their well being. The ones that do are usually the "heroes". Just sayin. |
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 24, 2016 10:04:59 GMT -5
DID YOU ORDER THE CODE RED?  ?? |
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Post by pasta on Sept 24, 2016 19:28:58 GMT -5
All I have is the text on the screen to go by, so forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but it appears that you commented with a quote from the movie that I cited, but I can't tell if you actually watched that particular clip all the way through (though I hope you've seen the whole movie, dozens of times like I have. Everyone ought to, and if I ever become dictator...).
Point is that not all parts of the job are in the employee handbook.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 24, 2016 20:06:38 GMT -5
Yes I was quoting the movie (for levity). Yes I've seen it a dozen times. A year.
Unfortunately I can't ride with you on that one because the military duties and LEO's are two entirely different things no matter how much our states have tried to blur those lines.
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Post by bobathon on Sept 24, 2016 20:40:18 GMT -5
LEOs love to blur that line too. They call us civilians and want that cachet of putting their lives on the line. But without walking the walk. For my part, I think they should.
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Post by pasta on Sept 24, 2016 20:46:24 GMT -5
Every job has parts that are not in the handbook, and police are no different.
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Post by bobathon on Sept 26, 2016 5:32:27 GMT -5
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Oct 13, 2016 12:27:20 GMT -5
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Post by DA on Oct 13, 2016 13:14:43 GMT -5
You and me both.
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Post by bobathon on Oct 13, 2016 13:24:44 GMT -5
Have they released the cops' drug tests yet?
Yeah, everyone's condition is germane.
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Post by DA on Oct 13, 2016 16:36:26 GMT -5
What drugs do you have reason to believe she was under the influence of at the time? I'm not against drug testing the police, especially after incidents such as this.
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Post by bobathon on Oct 13, 2016 17:02:09 GMT -5
Did they have suspicion for the corpse, or did they test just because? Certainly the cops didn't know when they met him. So they tested him just because. Good reason to test everyone.
When a person who operates a train, bus, plane has an incident, they drug test. I have no idea what any cops might have been on. Cocaine? Steroids? PCP? Adderall? They should be tested because they had an incident. It's germane to their state of mind.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Oct 13, 2016 19:25:05 GMT -5
Pretty sure, but not 100% certain to be honest, that the po po are drug tested before hire and them randomly. Pretty safe to assume she was clean. Mr. Crutcher was at fault for his own demise, no question in my mind.
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Post by bobathon on Oct 13, 2016 19:28:00 GMT -5
I don't think they are stopped from steroids, despite their well known side effects. And I would bet they get more leeway than many. Imma have to look into it.
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Post by bobathon on Oct 13, 2016 19:32:41 GMT -5
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Post by DA on Oct 13, 2016 23:45:09 GMT -5
Did they have suspicion for the corpse, or did they test just because? Certainly the cops didn't know when they met him. So they tested him just because. Good reason to test everyone. When a person who operates a train, bus, plane has an incident, they drug test. I have no idea what any cops might have been on. Cocaine? Steroids? PCP? Adderall? They should be tested because they had an incident. It's germane to their state of mind. Yes they had suspicion for the corpse. While the officer was responding to the incident, the officer suspected he was on PCP, as she was a "drug recognition expert" and thought his actions were strange. A witness also stated that they thought the man was smoking something. |
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Post by DA on Oct 13, 2016 23:48:51 GMT -5
I find it interesting in the article that you posted bobathon, that the police reps find the drug tests to be an illegal search and seizure, but they participate in them in my opinion when they do DUI checkpoints.
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Post by bobathon on Oct 14, 2016 3:03:38 GMT -5
I found that interesting as well. I guess they know an illegal search when they conduct one.
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