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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Apr 30, 2017 19:06:02 GMT -5
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Post by pasta on Apr 30, 2017 20:28:52 GMT -5
This just came up in another of my discussion groups. Some people wanted to go so far as to call it "rape". And these were women! I never thought I'd see the day when a bunch of females were in favor of diluting the term.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 1, 2017 9:33:50 GMT -5
That's it. I'm buying a dash cam.
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Post by bobathon on May 1, 2017 10:13:41 GMT -5
In what way is that concensual sex, upon wrappper removal?
If your girl agreed to a BJ and promised no teeth, and then chomped down, is that what was agreed to?
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Post by minx on May 1, 2017 10:23:29 GMT -5
As a guy, how would you feel if a woman said she was using protection, then in the middle of the act (when it was too late for you to stop) said "Haha! I was just joking!"
Wouldn't you feel taken advantage of? If said woman got pregnant and refused an abortion, but wanted you to pay support, wouldn't you have felt like you were raped?
Just asking.
And I'm curious - why would you remove your condom in the middle of the act itself? Wouldn't you be a little too involved to care at that point?
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 1, 2017 10:37:53 GMT -5
In what way is it rape? As a guy, how would you feel if a woman said she was using protection, then in the middle of the act (when it was too late for you to stop) said "Haha! I was just joking!" Wouldn't you feel taken advantage of? If said woman got pregnant and refused an abortion, but wanted you to pay support, wouldn't you have felt like you were raped? Just asking. And I'm curious - why would you remove your condom in the middle of the act itself? Wouldn't you be a little too involved to care at that point? I hear that first scenario is common. It's called the baby daddy trap. Poor poor daddy baby, he are victim. That's not the point and both of you know it. The question here is at what point am I a "victim" of a sexual crime? |
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 1, 2017 10:42:30 GMT -5
PS- Per my recollection, I don't recall a single instance of boots knocking when there were ground rules discussed prior to the first pitch. There have been many times when a Jimmy hat was introduced, but no written or verbal contract that would be admissible in a court of law. Is that what it's coming to?
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 1, 2017 11:03:46 GMT -5
Boots Knocking Contract
Herein contains binding consent hereby known as THE AGREEMENT where upon on this ______ day of _______, 2____ the parties agree to the terms and conditions of THE AGREEMENT for the purpose of mutual trust between the parties that the encounter and subsequent encounters to take place on _______ day of ______, 2_____ between the hours of ____:____(am/pm) and ____:____ (am/pm) and during that time/s only and/or if left unstated shall hereby expire on ______ day of ______ 2_____ at ___:___:____ (am/pm).
I, _______________ hereby forward known as BOOT KNOCKER do agree to the full terms and conditions set forth below by BOOT KNOCKEE. Any variances or deviations to terms and conditions shall nullify THE AGREEMENT. Concurrent to Article 3 Subsection A Clause 19 Line 14, the encounter between the parties shall cease and apologies exchanged subsequent to Article 3 Subsection A Clause 19 Line 22.
Hereto,
I, _______________ hereby forward known as BOOT KNOCKEE do agree to the full terms and conditions set forth below by BOOT KNOCKER. Any variances or deviations to terms and conditions shall nullify THE AGREEMENT. Concurrent to Article 3 Subsection A Clause 19 Line 14, the encounter between the parties shall cease and apologies exchanged subsequent to Article 3 Subsection A Clause 19 Line 22.
Terms set forth by BOOT KNOCKER:
1. Everything goes. I love you.
Terms set forth by BOOT KNOCKEE
1. No profanity.
2. Must wear non-latex or equivalent PETA approved non-hypoallergenic condom to be worn prior to and removed after leaving the general encounter areas post ejaculate.
3. No biting.
4. No butt stuff.
4. No mouth stuff.
4. No ejaculate in the face or hair.
4. No profanity.
4. No talking about body parts.
4. No running.
4. No electric powered toys.
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Post by bobathon on May 1, 2017 13:43:52 GMT -5
When the agreement is "if you wrap that rascal I will bone you", the rape occurs the moment the guy intentionally unwraps his rascal. At that point it's a boning that hasn't been consented to.
Why is that hard (hehehe) for you to get?
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 1, 2017 15:50:38 GMT -5
I completely disagree.
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Post by bobathon on May 1, 2017 16:34:24 GMT -5
What is rape?
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 1, 2017 17:19:10 GMT -5
Apparently that's up for interpretation.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 1, 2017 17:21:39 GMT -5
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Post by bobathon on May 1, 2017 17:29:49 GMT -5
That wasn't helpful. But how about this: can we agree that it is a malicious and harmful sexual crime, whatever it's called?
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Post by pasta on May 1, 2017 19:58:36 GMT -5
Is there a spectrum of rape?
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Post by bobathon on May 2, 2017 3:21:45 GMT -5
Seems to boil down to "unwanted penetration".
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 2, 2017 9:11:15 GMT -5
It may be a lot of things but rape isn't one of them.
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Post by minx on May 2, 2017 9:27:33 GMT -5
But then we're back to Bob's original question to you - what is rape then?
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 2, 2017 9:46:45 GMT -5
Trick question. If I give a definition someone will add something or ask follow ups. It's not entirely black and white as you know. This topic raises one of those questions. I just happen to believe "stealthing" as it's called so modernly is not rape, given the sex is not forced nor without consent. Allowing this to be called rape creates a situation where if one partner does anything unagreeable it could be considered rape.
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Post by bobathon on May 2, 2017 10:02:45 GMT -5
It is without consent. If you consider that "unwrapping" to be just adding details and not changing the conditions, then you wouldn't mind your partner's brother nailing your ass while you bone her. It's just a little detail.
Why is it called stealthing? Because they know consent would be DENIED to it. They admit as much. Once that condom is off, the sex is nonconsensual. Just like the dick up your ass.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 2, 2017 10:06:06 GMT -5
Blah blah ficking blah. Still not rape.
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Post by bobathon on May 2, 2017 11:31:38 GMT -5
And when her brother boned you against your consent, that was also not rape. It was just details.
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Post by pasta on May 2, 2017 11:56:33 GMT -5
Can the slot be the rapist? At the end of the day, who is in control of the tab? I can't imagine a situation where I wouldn't be able to tell that I was no longer wearing an uncomfortable rubber thing on my wedding tackle. If it was suddenly removed, and I still put it in, isn't that on me? If a girl told me she was on the pill, and I had sex with her, and then found out she wasn't on the pill, am I now a rape victim?
How far away from the act of penetration are we going to get?
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Post by bobathon on May 2, 2017 12:09:52 GMT -5
So far, we're still at penetration without consent. Whether it's an unsheathed ween or a baseball bat, if it ain't a consented penetration, sounds like rape to me.
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Post by pasta on May 2, 2017 12:21:00 GMT -5
I'm going to need to retreat a few steps here. I had carried over a part of the conversation from the other place (sorry, guys, I'm cheating on you) wherein a female had attempted to remove the man's condom without his knowledge but that wasn't part of the story here. He and some of the women over there were saying he had been raped, and I'm kind of stuck on that part of it.
So yes, I'm with you on when the male sneakily removes his own condom being some sort of sex crime. I still don't like the idea of that being in the same room as the concept of drugging or beating a woman into submission (thereby lessening what happened to them), but it's something.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 2, 2017 14:13:52 GMT -5
You original point was the one to focus on. If a woman tells you she's on BC and turns out she isn't, is that not the same thing? Has she raped her partner under those circumcisions? I submit no. She's a lying whore and the guy who removes his hat during the show is a dickwad, but neither are criminals regardless of Bob's mental gymnastics.
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Post by minx on May 2, 2017 14:17:49 GMT -5
I think there are degrees of rape - everyone likes to think that rape is drugging/beating (specifically) a woman and forcing her to have sex.
I would say that lying about birth control, whether by saying you're on the pill/got snipped/removing a condom during the act is also a form of rape - it is unprotected sex that you did not consent to.
As a woman, I can't say that I noted a big difference between a guy wrapped and unwrapped - I think that feeling is on the male's part, not the female's.
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Post by bobathon on May 2, 2017 14:39:15 GMT -5
The one pasta mentioned is weird to me, but sounds criminal. It should be.
But for the base case, I don't see how sticking something "not agreed to" in, is somehow covered by a prior consent to something else. It's clear that the shitheels doing it know it's a violation, or they wouldn't be sneaky about it.
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Post by k9krap on May 2, 2017 16:22:57 GMT -5
I know it's fiction, but there was an SVU that portrayed John Stamos as a lothario that poked holes in his condoms so he could impregnate as many women as possible. He had over 20 children in NYC alone, and many more all over the country. I don't believe they were able to charge him with anything, as he was supporting all of them financially, but he was murdered at the end of the show. 😊
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Post by bobathon on May 2, 2017 17:21:45 GMT -5
A happy ending!
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