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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 5, 2018 16:39:14 GMT -5
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Post by minx on May 14, 2018 9:44:27 GMT -5
An interesting article. I think the only thing it lacks is a time analysis. That would show that these results aren't at all new - this has been the trend for quite a while, and is not based on the politics of which administration is in power.
I do think that it's time we took a more serious look at how we help those in need in this country, and saying "Welfare to work!!" is not the solution. I have yet to meet anyone who enjoys being on welfare or disability - most of the people I have read about or have personally met would much rather be working at a decent job (you know, one that actually will pay enough to make rent and eat). It's easy to say that those people need to be in job training, but why train for a job that isn't there? There has to be a better solution.
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Post by bobathon on May 14, 2018 10:21:19 GMT -5
We should aim for 100% unemployment. Automation for the masses!
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 14, 2018 10:35:37 GMT -5
I mostly agree. First thing that I would say is when it comes to training for jobs that aren't there, the focus then would be to train for the jobs that are (Dah Dah-Dah! I'm Captain Obvious!) and employer based training. It used to be a pretty big thing.
Welfare to work isn't a bad concept. Work is a fact of life for 99% of us and some people be needin to get that into their thick skulls. The truth of the matter is that there are people who do abuse the benefits systems and work it for all it's worth. Too many of us have played by the rules, paid our dues, and contributed all we've got only to have folks out there who take no responsibility for themselves at all. I'll bet they don't spend 1/1000 of the time worrying about how they are going to take care of themselves and their families as I do. So as I can't speak to them "enjoying" it, but "not worrying" about it is pretty much the same thing where I come from.
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Post by minx on May 14, 2018 13:06:59 GMT -5
But what if there are no jobs there at all? Or if the jobs that are there pay just enough to raise your pay to kick your kids off of medicare, but not raise your standard of living at all? I think this is a real and growing problem - people who really do want to do better, and give their kids a good example, but they also don't want to leave their children without health insurance, or they themselves have a chronic condition, so they can't go without health insurance (but aren't completely disabled either).
You really have to be making dirt to qualify for welfare, and there really is no good incentive for getting off of it - the moment you start making money, you're screwed. (and by making money, I'm talking a minimum wage job, not real money).
I think we need to be more creative than saying you have 6 months to find a job or you're screwed. So many people live in areas where that simply isn't possible. Perhaps 6 months of job training with transport to the job training center included (doesn't help to have training that's 2 hours and several buses away, especially if you throw a kid or two into the mix). Once you're trained, an offer to pay relocation costs to an area where there are jobs - that would be a true way to get many people up and running. However, it would cost more money than we're spending now, and God forbid, we spend money on those who are poor, or on the edge in any way....
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Post by bobathon on May 14, 2018 13:57:30 GMT -5
Jerb training ain't free, so don't forget your bootstraps.
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