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Post by rally2xs on Jun 2, 2018 6:48:25 GMT -5
...is 5.9%, lowest in US recorded history.
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Post by bobathon on Jun 2, 2018 6:59:12 GMT -5
That's nice, the trend continues.
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Post by minx on Jun 2, 2018 8:02:41 GMT -5
I'm going to use some Obama-era tactics on you Rally.
During Obama's terms, the Republicans constantly cried that we couldn't take the unemployment numbers at face value because they didn't include people who had stopped trying to look for work at all. I concede that this is a valid point, and still is one.
But this is my question. Out of the people who did get (or have jobs), how many (regardless of race) have a job that is enough to support themselves properly? And by properly, I mean being able to afford safe housing, have enough food to eat, pay for transportation to and from work, pay for basic utilities (heat, electric, water, and cell phone service) without having to push a bill off? How many people have a job that will enable them to keep $200 in savings in case of an unexpected emergency?
Being able to do the above is what I would count as 'being employed' - working a job that enables you to support yourself and have enough left over for an emergency. I bet if you looked up those statistics, you'd be shocked.
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Post by bobathon on Jun 2, 2018 9:32:01 GMT -5
He just wants to burnish Trump with whatever scrap of good news he can. So, distortions and elisions.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jun 2, 2018 10:41:03 GMT -5
I'm going to use some Obama-era tactics on you Rally. During Obama's terms, the Republicans constantly cried that we couldn't take the unemployment numbers at face value because they didn't include people who had stopped trying to look for work at all. I concede that this is a valid point, and still is one. But this is my question. Out of the people who did get (or have jobs), how many (regardless of race) have a job that is enough to support themselves properly? And by properly, I mean being able to afford safe housing, have enough food to eat, pay for transportation to and from work, pay for basic utilities (heat, electric, water, and cell phone service) without having to push a bill off? How many people have a job that will enable them to keep $200 in savings in case of an unexpected emergency? Being able to do the above is what I would count as 'being employed' - working a job that enables you to support yourself and have enough left over for an emergency. I bet if you looked up those statistics, you'd be shocked. Those people were right then, and the same applies today, regardless of who is in office. The official unemployment rate is sham. The only thing it's good for is indicating one single trend but takes none of the things you mentioned into consideration. One example I've ranted about for a while now is that yes, some trades people (electricians, bricklayers, carpenters, et al) are going back to work. However, the jobs that they are getting are paying anywhere from 25-50% less than what they were prior to the clusterfuck Bush left in 08, along with no benefits of any kind to speak of. Same across many industries. And how many Uber drivers are considered "employed" in the government numbers? Because there's a huge number of people who gave up on finding jobs and are forced into the gig economy, which brings down everyone around it even further. But hey, $10 is better than $0 dollars. So many young and beautiful people that came here with hopes of supporting their families, only to have their dreams crushed by the people who shortchange others. Make America Go Away. PS- Does anyone here believe for one hot second Dave Head gives a FIDDLER'S FUCK about "black unemployment"? LOL!!!! |
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Post by minx on Jun 2, 2018 10:47:25 GMT -5
Exactly John. So many people are now counted as 'Independent Contractors' - pay isn't what they'd get if they were company employees, and they're on their own for benefits.
I work from home - there is not a company office near me. I am extremely lucky, as I am a company employee, however while I was supplied with a computer, monitor and phone, it's on me to supply the office space, office supplies, and internet.
Before the wonderful 'tax reform' I was at least able to list those expenses on my itemized deductions and get a little money back for them. But since I'm not a big corporation, that's now considered a 'perk' of my employment, and I can no longer deduct any of those expenses. So, yay me!
I don't think you can deduct the maintenance on your vehicle if you drive for a ride-sharing service either. The little guy is certainly going to come up on top in this for sure....
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Post by bobathon on Jun 2, 2018 11:23:48 GMT -5
Sounds like it must be time to cut taxes on the wealthy and on corporations.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jun 2, 2018 14:08:46 GMT -5
By the way Mr Head, I'm sure you are really happy to accept that only 3.8% (and dropping) of people sit on their asses, do drugs, and take handouts instead of working. I'm sure that tickles you, in fact.
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Post by rally2xs on Jun 3, 2018 8:19:46 GMT -5
I'm going to use some Obama-era tactics on you Rally. During Obama's terms, the Republicans constantly cried that we couldn't take the unemployment numbers at face value because they didn't include people who had stopped trying to look for work at all. I concede that this is a valid point, and still is one. But this is my question. Out of the people who did get (or have jobs), how many (regardless of race) have a job that is enough to support themselves properly? And by properly, I mean being able to afford safe housing, have enough food to eat, pay for transportation to and from work, pay for basic utilities (heat, electric, water, and cell phone service) without having to push a bill off? How many people have a job that will enable them to keep $200 in savings in case of an unexpected emergency? Being able to do the above is what I would count as 'being employed' - working a job that enables you to support yourself and have enough left over for an emergency. I bet if you looked up those statistics, you'd be shocked. I wouldn't know where to look to find that info. But you can notice that there is a great surge in manufacturing jobs, and those pay well. There's a shortage of truck drivers, and those pay well. Otherwise, 3.8% is pretty damned impressive, the usual statements about it is that 3.5% is "full" employment with those that aren't employed not being able to be employed, etc. Soooo... wait and see. Guy on the tube just within the last hour says there are lots of $50K jobs out there, such as driving truck, that can be had now. |
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Post by bobathon on Jun 3, 2018 9:25:02 GMT -5
Racist panderer says what?
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Post by rally2xs on Jun 3, 2018 21:27:39 GMT -5
By the way Mr Head, I'm sure you are really happy to accept that only 3.8% (and dropping) of people sit on their asses, do drugs, and take handouts instead of working. I'm sure that tickles you, in fact. They're supposedly mostly people that are impossible to employ. That's what I've always heard. Don't know the reasons that they can't be employed - maybe physical or mental disability, not sure. |
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