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Post by No. 1 son on Aug 23, 2018 17:37:58 GMT -5
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Post by minx on Aug 24, 2018 8:35:35 GMT -5
I think it's terribly sad. Many of the people out there have serious mental illnesses that have are not being treated. There are not enough doctors and counselors available to treat them, and no where near enough group homes or halfway houses for them to live with supervision.
It's a growing problem, and one that we have been turning our backs on for decades. We can't go back to the institutions of old, but at the same time we need to do something to insure that people who have a serious mental illness have a safe place to stay and proper treatment. It's not a quick fix either - if we start with people who are newly diagnosed, perhaps we can make some change.
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Post by rally2xs on Aug 24, 2018 23:40:38 GMT -5
I don't follow the leap to mental problems. These people have been run over by the economic policies of liberal California that have prevented affordable housing from being built. There isn't enough, the better-off are being discouraged from advancing by more and more regulations that make housing even more unaffordable, such as the new mandate for new houses to have solar panels, as if that stuff grows on trees. It doesn't, it costs an arm and a leg, so the people that would buy new houses don't, and therefore don't vacate their old houses, so there aren't as many / enough old houses to alleviate the supply and demand acceleration of higher and higher prices for all housing. If you need something to keep the rain off, and the desert blast furnace away from you, then a 1000 square foot apartment looks like the Taj Mahal, and will be priced like the Taj Mahal.
Its liberals in control keep thinking they can do handouts to cure this, and there just isn't that much gov't money available, and never is. $185K a year for poop patrol? Remember how I said that gov't always wastes money? There you go - that's outrageous, they could get people to do that sort of menial labor for minimum wage if they tried. The people whose poop is being collected would probably take those jobs. But of course they still wouldn't have enough $$$ for housing.
California is America's miniature Venezuela, suffering from overdoses of socialism. Vote out the socialists, watch things improve.
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Post by bobathon on Aug 25, 2018 4:23:14 GMT -5
Look at you go, King Hater.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Aug 25, 2018 9:54:22 GMT -5
Tried to read it. Got to the word liberal and shut 'er down. OF COURSE this is all because of liberals. Homelessness and liberalism exemplified by shitting in the streets.... Yeah, back on ignore.
So to the issue, I've always wondered how the government can stay out of the fray when it comes to homelessness, especially when you take into account how many of them are veterans. I agree (because it's a fact, not a homoerotic liberal emote that some people portray it as) that mental illness contributes heavily to the problem, as does alcohol and drug addiction. How many people on the streets would be living productive lives if there were easy access to high quality mental health services nationwide? How many others would greatly benefit from post WW2-like programs that hired and trained people to build and/or rebuild our infrastructure, parks, etc? What if you gave them hope by promising them shelter, food, medical care, and safety? Preferable to a world war no?
The same people who always chirp about this being a Christian country suddenly stop chirping away when they're reminded what their Savior said about feeding the hungry, inviting in the stranger, clothing them, taking care of the sick, and visiting the prisoners. Some of Those People are sometimes referred to as conservatives, and a lot of the time, hypocrites.
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Post by rally2xs on Aug 25, 2018 22:30:32 GMT -5
California's poverty rate is the highest in the nation, and the place is overrun with Democrats attempting to fix things simply by throwing (the people's) money at it. That isn't a coincidence.
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Post by rally2xs on Aug 25, 2018 22:33:05 GMT -5
"The same people who always chirp about this being a Christian country suddenly stop chirping away when they're reminded what their Savior said about feeding the hungry, inviting in the stranger, clothing them, taking care of the sick, and visiting the prisoners. Some of Those People are sometimes referred to as conservatives, and a lot of the time, hypocrites."
What that means is NOT pointing a gun (figuratively and sometimes literally) at members of the public to steal their money and give it to someone else. What that means is for each and every believer to dig deep into their OWN pockets to do those things. BTW, conservatives out-charity liberals by a wide margin due to the charitable giving primarily through their churches.
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Post by bobathon on Aug 26, 2018 2:35:03 GMT -5
California's poverty rate is the highest in the nation, and the place is overrun with Democrats attempting to fix things simply by throwing (the people's) money at it. That isn't a coincidence. Do you just write what you want to be true? Because you sure don't bother investigating your "facts". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_poverty_rateMoran. |
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Post by bobathon on Aug 26, 2018 2:37:21 GMT -5
rally, we see exactly how Christian this nation is when the least among us need anything. They get thoughts and prayers, judgment and disdain, and told about bullshit bootstraps.
Now it's Sunday, so go pay your weekly dues and pretend to believe in Jesus.
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Post by rally2xs on Aug 26, 2018 6:34:18 GMT -5
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Post by bobathon on Aug 26, 2018 8:01:46 GMT -5
"You’ve followed a link to a page that doesn’t exist."
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Post by minx on Aug 26, 2018 10:36:15 GMT -5
I'm sure Rally will poo-poo (HA! See what I did there?) this as well. Mental health care is almost non-existent in this country, even if you are one of the privileged who have good health insurance, and it has been this way for a long time. I am bi-polar, and I consider myself beyond fortunate - I lived in an area with plenty of doctors when I first got sick - had a LCSW who was intelligent enough to get me to a psychiatrist as soon as I went into a crisis and family and friends who were supportive of me. I also have enough money to afford the co-pays on my monthly medications, and a job that allows me to take time off to go to my current psychiatrist (who is in Dale City BTW). Even with that, it took 10 years to get properly diagnosed and on the right medication to stabilize me. So now, picture someone who lives in a more rural area, where there aren't psychiatrists readily available. Someone who's family loves them, but has no idea how to help them. Someone who does try to get help, only to be told that they aren't 'unstable' enough to need it. That's how you get people shitting on the streets in major cities, and that's how you get things like this: pilotonline.com/news/local/projects/jail-crisis/article_5ba8a112-974e-11e8-ba17-b734814f14db.htmlI'm curious as to what Rally's solution to the mental health crisis is. Because after all, the NRA blames all the mass shootings on mentally ill shooters, right? And you don't shit on the street because you don't have a job - you do it because you either are mentally ill, or high on something. The homeless population that is functional usually try to stick together in tent encampments so they can watch out for each other, since it's very dangerous to not have a home. As for churches, there is only so much they (and their congregation) can do. The Interfaith Council of Churches downtown established our homeless shelter, and were responsible for building the first one. They also helped substantially with the funding for the current location. They started Micah, who does outreach to the chronically homeless. They helped establish Hope House for women and children. In partnership with the Food Bank, they all have food pantries that can give anyone who needs it a small bag of food for the day. They continue to fund and volunteer at all of these, and have independently worked to establish new programs at their churches to feed the hungry and try and get people help. Just how much should we expect them to do? It seems that the Republican answer to every social woe is to say that the churches need to step up. But when I reflect on it, I do see their point. They only worship at the altar of money, and I rarely (if ever) hear of the mega-churches doing things like what our area churches are doing. Maybe those are the churches Rally is referring to. It would be great if jobs were the be-all-cure-all for mental illness. I've lost more than one friend to it, so I would love for there to be an easy treatment that wouldn't stigmatize the illness or the person who has it. As for charity, I don't belong to a church any longer for various reasons, but I do donate money to many different causes which are split between local organizations, national ones, and international ones. I also volunteer at various events as my work schedule allows. I could donate my entire yearly salary, and spend all my time volunteering, and it still would be a drop in the bucket towards the crisis our country is facing in terms of poverty. ' |
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Aug 26, 2018 10:42:33 GMT -5
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Aug 26, 2018 11:25:03 GMT -5
I'm sure Rally will poo-poo (HA! See what I did there?) this as well. Mental health care is almost non-existent in this country, even if you are one of the privileged who have good health insurance, and it has been this way for a long time. I am bi-polar, and I consider myself beyond fortunate - I lived in an area with plenty of doctors when I first got sick - had a LCSW who was intelligent enough to get me to a psychiatrist as soon as I went into a crisis and family and friends who were supportive of me. I also have enough money to afford the co-pays on my monthly medications, and a job that allows me to take time off to go to my current psychiatrist (who is in Dale City BTW). Even with that, it took 10 years to get properly diagnosed and on the right medication to stabilize me. So now, picture someone who lives in a more rural area, where there aren't psychiatrists readily available. Someone who's family loves them, but has no idea how to help them. Someone who does try to get help, only to be told that they aren't 'unstable' enough to need it. That's how you get people shitting on the streets in major cities, and that's how you get things like this: pilotonline.com/news/local/projects/jail-crisis/article_5ba8a112-974e-11e8-ba17-b734814f14db.htmlI'm curious as to what Rally's solution to the mental health crisis is. Because after all, the NRA blames all the mass shootings on mentally ill shooters, right? And you don't shit on the street because you don't have a job - you do it because you either are mentally ill, or high on something. The homeless population that is functional usually try to stick together in tent encampments so they can watch out for each other, since it's very dangerous to not have a home. As for churches, there is only so much they (and their congregation) can do. The Interfaith Council of Churches downtown established our homeless shelter, and were responsible for building the first one. They also helped substantially with the funding for the current location. They started Micah, who does outreach to the chronically homeless. They helped establish Hope House for women and children. In partnership with the Food Bank, they all have food pantries that can give anyone who needs it a small bag of food for the day. They continue to fund and volunteer at all of these, and have independently worked to establish new programs at their churches to feed the hungry and try and get people help. Just how much should we expect them to do? It seems that the Republican answer to every social woe is to say that the churches need to step up. But when I reflect on it, I do see their point. They only worship at the altar of money, and I rarely (if ever) hear of the mega-churches doing things like what our area churches are doing. Maybe those are the churches Rally is referring to. It would be great if jobs were the be-all-cure-all for mental illness. I've lost more than one friend to it, so I would love for there to be an easy treatment that wouldn't stigmatize the illness or the person who has it. As for charity, I don't belong to a church any longer for various reasons, but I do donate money to many different causes which are split between local organizations, national ones, and international ones. I also volunteer at various events as my work schedule allows. I could donate my entire yearly salary, and spend all my time volunteering, and it still would be a drop in the bucket towards the crisis our country is facing in terms of poverty. ' Rally shits on people, not sidewalks. Still a mental disorder in my opinion, probably dx: Asshole-Liar Syndrome. Considering treatment options at this time. My post somewhere up the^re mentions access to mental health services. Hell, even veterans don't have easy access to it unless they're in crisis and a lot of times that's too late. Suicide is a prominent result of mental health (which you alluded to) but particularly high among combat veterans. With my plan, which is with KP, the appointment scheduling app goes out 3 months. I almost always wind up having to call to make the appt because there's no available appts with the psychiatrist in the 3 month calendars. Again, if I'm having a "crisis", they tell you to call 911. And guess what? There's another thorn in the ass of metal health care- most ERs aren't set up for emergency mental health care/treatment. They might be able to strap you to your bed and shoot you up with thorazine or something, but then they have to put you back on the meat wagon and send you to god-knows-where for proper help. My business is primarily with churches. I just did a project for one of the ones in FXBG that runs Micah. They do hit meals on Wednesday nights, a food bank, and are obviously highly involved in helping the UNDERSERVED (or as rally might call them, the UNDESERVING) in the area. Other churches I've worked at have programs where they send members to other countries to help, as well as helping in their community. Those churches aren't made of marble and glass, the pastors don't drive Lamborghinis, and the rectories aren't 42 bedroom mansions with swimming pools and tennis courts. Most of the ones I've been associated with walk the walk. And for all they, and all the others around the country do, they're only reaching so many in need. The least the government could do is to fill in the gaps, but our collective mindset is always reactive as opposed to proactive, and until that changes, nothing else will. |
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Post by rally2xs on Aug 26, 2018 11:44:44 GMT -5
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Aug 26, 2018 12:07:34 GMT -5
Which is not the official rate. But if you want to play that game, a quote from the article, "California’s rate is essentially the same as Florida’s," she said. "California, we might say, is in the top two."
I assume the reason for Florida (and WV, Alabama, and the #1 sans the *- Mississippi) is because of the liberal politics of throwing other peoples' money at problems, right? Or is it because of * too?
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Post by rally2xs on Aug 26, 2018 12:31:43 GMT -5
Which is not the official rate. But if you want to play that game, a quote from the article, "California’s rate is essentially the same as Florida’s," she said. "California, we might say, is in the top two." I assume the reason for Florida (and WV, Alabama, and the #1 sans the *- Mississippi) is because of the liberal politics of throwing other peoples' money at problems, right? Or is it because of * too? The supplemental report is from the Census Bureau. Its gov't too. Why is Florida's rate so high? I don't know. The website blames California for sky-high housing prices, which of course is the fault of gov't policies like the solar panels I mention - yeah, the solar panel expense has hardly had time to have an effect, but the liberals "We're going to tell you exactly how to live" and interference in everyone's lives in every respect can only interfere with people's ability to be prosperous. Hell, the electric rate I understand to be about double our 12.5 cents per KwH, mainly because of their regulations that didn't allow generating stations to be built anywhere in the state for about a decade or more. That inability to generate its own electricity is what allowed Enron to have a field day and charge them outrageous prices for power. Yeah, Enron was a bunch of greedy bastards that obeyed the law of supply and demand, but the liberal envirowacko pinheads in the California gov't made it possible, just like the envirowackos have spread the massive fires in California by denying public access to the burning lands, which allowed the roads to grow over and now the firefighters have trouble gaining access to fight the fires, along with the envirowackos continually suing those trying to clear out the dead, dying, diseased, and otherwise unsound underbrush that make the fires spread so much better. The brush will be cleaned out - either people do it benignly, or a fire will do it catastrophically, but either way the infirm fuel in the forest will be removed. |
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Post by rally2xs on Aug 26, 2018 12:41:52 GMT -5
"I'm curious as to what Rally's solution to the mental health crisis is."
Don't have one. Not sure there is one. What do other nations do, I mean excepting Europe that pays for everything out of the money they save by not having an effective military while the US military effectively protects them? Anyone got a solution to this that is affordable? Hell, Bernie Sanders wants to spend $3.2Trillion a year for universal healthcare. We only take in about $4 Trillion from all taxes, so in order to pay for Bernie's fantasy, we'd have to more than double the income taxes and that wouldn't work because income taxes suppress prosperity. When prosperity is suppressed, there's less income for everyone and so the taxes based on income fall and then you raise the income taxes even higher, the economy is further suppressed by the income taxes you end up with healthcare rationing where everyone waits, and waits, and waits for treatment, while things like cancer continue to grow and then those Euro-countries and Canada end up with a higher death rate from cancer than our "treat it immedialtely" cancer approach done with private money.
IOW, gov't healthcare as good as the private healthcare we have now is absolutely impossible. Nobody's done it, even when someone else is nullifying one of what should be their major expense, defense. Gov't healthcare in the US would be a bigger disaster than it is in Europe, because of all we have to spend on defense in order to keep the Russians from just rolling tanks and troops all over Europe, which they would if unopposed. Our money buys "no war in Europe." We stop spending, and we'll just have to mobilize, storm the beaches at Normandy AGAIN, and this time take it away from the Russians. Want that?
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Post by minx on Aug 27, 2018 10:04:01 GMT -5
You are so privileged and willfully clueless!
I was going to explain yet again how private companies handle health insurance, but it's not worth the bother, since you refuse to look outside of your narrow point of view.
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Post by bobathon on Aug 27, 2018 10:28:06 GMT -5
Welcome to my conclusion. I usually say it with swears.
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Post by bobathon on Aug 29, 2018 6:23:39 GMT -5
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