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Post by rally2xs on Sept 9, 2018 17:20:57 GMT -5
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Post by bobathon on Sept 9, 2018 18:07:18 GMT -5
Those are crap jobs.
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Post by No. 1 son on Sept 10, 2018 5:26:23 GMT -5
They're all crap jobs, apparently to people today. Teaching is so boring. Who wants do do anything constructive? You gotta lern thangs, we ain't got time for that. You could add cdl drivers and home repair and auto repair people to that, but no one wants to work anymore. How do you get people to invest in themselves when the media beats it into them that they don't have a chance to succeed?
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Post by bobathon on Sept 10, 2018 5:46:52 GMT -5
How do they get free time to invest in themselves? Where do the investment funds come from? It's a trap.
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Post by minx on Sept 10, 2018 9:23:27 GMT -5
People aren't leaving teaching because it's boring, they're leaving because they are literally being treated like shit.
Teachers are already underpaid, but they're expected to shell out major bucks every year for supplies for their classroom. Plus they're expected to work lots of extra hours for free (helping students, meeting with parents, attending school events, grading papers and preparing next week's assignments). This is on top of overcrowded classrooms and outdated textbooks. Add to that increased class sizes, parents who don't give a shit that little Johnny or Susie have behavioral issues (What do you expect ME to do? is a common response according to many of my teacher friends - when you respond with different services available in the community, they don't have that type of time), and a society that thinks schools are responsible for all of society's ills - why don't they do something about bullying? How come our kids don't have any manners? Why aren't schools teaching kids how to balance a checkbook and properly make a budget?
Add all of that to supervising 30 students all day, and trying to teach said students material that comes straight off a standardized test, which limits what you can explore with them, so said students get bored pretty quickly.
Add to that, the worry that you may not make it to your second job on time (because housing is so expensive, many teachers now work two jobs to make ends meet), taking care of your own children and spouse and trying to find a summer job (because again, the rent has to be paid), and we can all wonder why people don't want to become teachers anymore. It's certainly not because they're bored.
And before Rally jumps on with his supply and demand thing - teachers are paid through local property taxes. In order for them to get a raise, taxes need to go up. And we all know how *everybody* feels about that, right? And even if we all magically voted for a tax hike tomorrow, it still takes 4 years to educate and train a new teacher - not like the experienced teachers will all start flocking back you know.
Larry is right though - you have to start somewhere and work your way up. Unfortunately we are caught in a situation where many of the summer jobs teens used to work are being taken by adults who need to be able to keep a roof over their heads. These kids graduate from HS or college, and there's not much out there. When I graduated from HS in the dark ages, you could get a lower level job and in a few years work your way up to a job that would at least allow you to rent a room somewhere, if not share an apartment. Now it seems like a lot of those jobs leave you with no path upwards - I think that's what we're seeing with this next generation. It's not that they want life on easy street (as with every generation, there is a subset that want things for free), but that they don't see a light at the end of the tunnel anymore.
Oh, and as for Amtrak - the only salary listed for was for the assistant conductor position - 15.75/hr, and you must have 2 years of verifiable FT work or college experience. The other postings also required work experience in a customer service environment. So much for trying to get younger people into the work force.
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Post by rally2xs on Sept 10, 2018 10:19:03 GMT -5
Hell no supply and demand isn't going to work for teachers, because they are working for the gov't. The gov't isn't private enterprise. If teaching was private enterprise, and you create a teacher shortage, yeah, the wages will go up.
Now, riddle me this, Batman... its no secret that teaching wages suck, yet people flock to colleges to learn teaching spending incredible amounts on tuition to make less than auto workers. I mean, WTF? It doesn't sound like supply and demand is working very well there - the people choosing careers and smart enough to be teachers ought to be smart enough to say to themselves, "I could go to school for 4 years and get a teaching degree and make $X, or I could go to school 4 years and get a (something else, most anything but teaching) degree and make $1.5X, and then go ahead and select the lower-paid "career." What sort of nonsense is that? We end up with too many teachers so that school districts that are bent upon saving as much $$$ in the school budget as they can always have a vast pool of teachers trying to avoid starvation that will take the $crap wage anyway. Duh... I know teaching CAN'T be that much fun. C'mon.
Tell you the fun job. I used to dream that I could get good enough at poker to make some significant $$$. Well, last night I went up to MGM's poker room, put down $200, and got up with $297 after 5 1/2 hrs "work." Some work, playing and enjoyable game. Have won something like $60-something, $120-something, and now $97 in the last 3 trips up there (if I remember right.) Am beginning to think I'm finally to the point where I'm getting really lucky at this. May have to start going up more often. Best part of the job: No boss, no one else expecting anything from me other than "call", "raise", or "fold."
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Post by rally2xs on Sept 10, 2018 14:26:53 GMT -5
"Larry is right though - you have to start somewhere and work your way up. Unfortunately we are caught in a situation where many of the summer jobs teens used to work are being taken by adults who need to be able to keep a roof over their heads." News item on radio a few days ago says youth unemployment is at a 52 year low... Here 'tis: www.wsj.com/articles/youth-unemployment-hits-52-year-low-1534455755
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Post by bobathon on Sept 10, 2018 14:37:13 GMT -5
Since everyone's working, why are you so aggresively defensive about employment?
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Post by rally2xs on Sept 10, 2018 15:53:05 GMT -5
Since everyone's working, why are you so aggresively defensive about employment? Must always fight misinformation...
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Post by bobathon on Sept 10, 2018 16:21:09 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Hahahahaha, ooooo. Sweet cheeses.
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Post by minx on Sept 11, 2018 8:36:48 GMT -5
I. Can't. Even.
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Post by rally2xs on Sept 11, 2018 13:55:11 GMT -5
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