It's not exactly a war, but it ain't peace either

[No. 1 son]

Sweden is having some cultural growing pains. The state rounded up all the Sako hunting rifles from the natives, and that didn't seem to help. Huh. Who'd a thunk it. 

[bobathon]

Hah! We could teach them a thing or two about so-called "no go zones" and civilian murder rates! Bunch of amateurs!

Also, that's so dictatorial of the state to accept voluntary weapons donations! Just wait until gun buy backs and returns come to Merika!

[minx]

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have hand grenades....

Here is a more rational look at the issue from the BBC - the issue appears to be more one of white supremacists upset that Sweden has taken in too many refugees, rather than one of refugees being wanton terrorists.

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43667367

[sipowitz86]

Yeah, Minx, but that take isn't from a random blog run by a shady investment banker who dog whistles to white supremacists for steady traffic, so it's obviously #FakeNews.

[No. 1 son]

That's pretty much what the state run news in Germany and Italy will tell you too, although I doubt if the people there are as excited about it as the leaders are. I wonder why so many Muslims don't want to go to Muslim nations? Curious.

[bobathon]

Curiosity will lead places you may not want to go. Like, "how did these countries get in a condition people want to flee them?".

[No. 1 son]

I guess they're like the Viet Cong, mix in with Merkans and maybe they won't be bombed. As much. link

[sipowitz86]

The moose lambs are coming for you, specifically, Larry. They read about you and now want to come here and light a bag of poo on fire and put it on your doorstep. Then while you're putting out the poo fire, they're going to go into your home and take it over and kick you out. Also going to keep your women.

It's just the way things are.

[minx]

Don't worry - in a few years China and Russia will bomb us to rubble in the interests of 'saving' us as well, then the Mexican and Canadian governments will be complaining about the influx of Americans and the crime they bring with them.

On a more serious note, I do not believe that refugees are bringing violence along with them, but I do see that almost all of the world's governments are not really ready to accept them, especially in these numbers. Too many people think you can flee a violent war-torn country with nothing, and yet assimilate almost immediately into a completely foreign culture, where you don't know any of the language or customs. And yes, many refugees want their new country to be more accommodating to them.

However, I try to imagine if I had to live without adequate food and under constant threat of death or other violence, and then flee in the middle of the night in a T-shirt and shorts because the gangs had arrived in my subdivision and were killing the neighbors and torching my house. I imagine being lucky enough to make it to a refugee camp, where I could have the luxury of living in a tent in the middle of dirt city and hoping everyday that my number would reach the top of the asylum list and I would be found worthy. Then I imagine being re-located to a tiny apartment in Kenya, where I don't know the language, and my former job skills aren't needed, or I have to be a lot more fluent in Kenyan that I am.
I'd imagine I'd be like most refugees - shell shocked at what happened to me, terrified and confused, and yes angry. Angry that my peaceful existence had been stolen from me almost overnight, angry that I can't communicate with those around me, angry (and afraid) because I stand out and native Kenyans immediately judge me based on my color and accent (ruling me ignorant or prone to violence before they have even spoken to me), and angry that I don't understand the culture around me and what's expected of me as a Kenyan. Then saddened. Saddened that my new country doesn't really understand what I have been through. Saddened for the loss of friends and family who I will never see again. Saddened because my religious and cultural beliefs are seen as promoting violence. Saddened because I can't find any 'American' food anywhere in my new country. And overwhelmingly saddened by knowing that I will never be able to go back to my native country.

I don't know the solution, but too many places in the world are mired by violence. And too few places for them to flee to.

[No. 1 son]

If you had to flee because of corruption and violence, you might be angry with whatever nation or nations that you perceived to be responsible for this, wouldn't you? If you had nothing to lose and nothing to look forward to, that might motivate you, wouldn't it?

[bobathon]

If you fled violence and corruption, would you bring it with you?

[No. 1 son]

Speaking for me, and my experience, probably no. If I had experienced the events as told by others, I don't know. What I do know that a ship can carry so many passengers, and after that limit is reached, all are in danger.

[bobathon]

Usual limit among so-called Christians is 144,000.

[No. 1 son]

As usual, I must anticipate you're right, Bob. Proceed.

[minx]

I think that the majority of people fleeing are simply that - ordinary people fleeing for their lives.

But as you noted Larry, it's easy to develop hatred, and I certainly would have hatred and fear towards the people who drove me from my home and killed my family members. If I could safely resettle and start a new life, my anger might dissipate. OTOH, if my living conditions became even worse, and the outlook for my future was even worse, I might start thinking that I had nothing to lose by attacking back.

There was a lot of this in WWII - people who knew their fate was a concentration camp organizing attacks against the SS. They knew they were going to die anyway, so they wanted their deaths to mean something.
Of course when one of our allies do this against our enemies, they are brave. When one of our enemies do it to us, they are terrorists.

[sipowitz86]

Sounds like one of our patriots didn't get the memo about turning your IEDs into the authorities.

[bobathon]

Some violent leftist mob, no doubt.