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Post by bobathon on Dec 4, 2018 16:00:06 GMT -5
How about Trump's recent lies? I know, nobody cares if he lies because they have no effect.
Dow up nearly 300 points yesterday. Because Trump lied that we and China were cool again.
Today, when everyone found out it was a lie and he's full of shit, the Dow is down, what 700, 800 points.
So brokers made bank on all the trading, but brokers are parasites, and just want any trades. I assume investors are delighted with that ineffectual lie and corresponding vaporized earnings.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Dec 4, 2018 20:16:02 GMT -5
fake news, ..... and gas is cheap because Dear Leader put a stop to Obammy's War On Oil.
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Post by rally2xs on Dec 5, 2018 0:13:51 GMT -5
Gas _is_ cheaper...
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Post by bobathon on Dec 5, 2018 1:03:57 GMT -5
Hey, Dear Leader said the wall, at $25B, pays for itself in two months. How? Explain that lie.
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Post by rally2xs on Dec 5, 2018 1:37:00 GMT -5
Hey, Dear Leader said the wall, at $25B, pays for itself in two months. How? Explain that lie. Never heard that one, but anyway, it might be because it would keep out 1000's of illegals that sponge off the American economy, taking jobs that they are not entitled to and thus throwing American citizens out of work and onto welfare which would cost the American people millions, then there's the billions of dollars lost in building new schools to educate their kids, hiring 1000's of bilingual teachers to be able to teach the illegal's kids, suffering billions of dollars in hospital costs for illegals that don't and won't have health insurance because they can't afford it while working their work-for-peanuts jobs, billions of dollars lost as illegals get drunked up and go out and smash into your car, and then flee, leaving you to bleed to death so's they don't get caught and deported, etc. etc. etc. Billions, every year, from now to forever, because they never assimilate into American society and don't WANT to assimilate into American society and become actual citizens. They want to take citizenship like conquerers. Screw them. Send them all back. A wall would keep out a huge percentage of them and keep them from stealing jobs and other things that don't belong to them. |
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Post by bobathon on Dec 5, 2018 6:02:26 GMT -5
Well, look it up. He's a very stupid man, rally. Don't be so eager to adore him.
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Post by minx on Dec 5, 2018 9:52:12 GMT -5
Let's assume that every person in this country illegally left tomorrow. How many American citizens would be willing to pick produce for $10-$11/hr (that's what you make depending on how quickly you can pick). And do you see people relocating to California or Florida to pick that produce from someplace like West Virginia? When the produce doesn't get picked, and the small farmers who grow it can't pay higher wages, will you just shrug and say "too bad" and write it off to market forces? Are you willing to do the same for other businesses, such as restaurants, cleaning services and construction crews? Because yeah, there are a lot of illegals out there, and I'm sure that more than a few are taking jobs that Americans would happily do. However, there's a lot more taking jobs that Americans don't want - like picking produce, washing dishes, and cleaning office buildings at night. Are some of those workers exploited - most definitely. However, I suspect the vast number of them are just happy to be able to keep a roof over their heads, so they are willing to work for $8/hr with no benefits. As for your assertion that these people are clogging the healthcare system, I hate to break it to you, but most of the people who are getting that 'free' care that you hate so much are AMERICAN CITIZENS who can't afford health insurance, so their medical care consists of the revolving door or the closest ER, because the ER legally can't turn them away. But that's okay, because we know that universal health care is the biggest sin - those people need to get decent jobs that provide a wide array of insurance coverage. Out of curiosity, have you ever looked up the requirements for receiving food stamps or welfare? Go for it and let me know what they are in the State of Virginia - I looked at the social services website for over 15 minutes and didn't find any useful information - lots of shit on how to apply online, but nothing actually explaining how it works. Getting on welfare and food stamps is not an easy process, and staying on them for life (as you seem to assume people do) is not easy either. Out of curiosity Rally - if you had a catastrophic event happen that required you to drain most of your savings in a short time, would you have any sort of problem with walking into the food bank and asking for food, or visiting a local church and asking if they could help with the electric bill for this month, or would you find it to be a rather humiliating experience? Like I said, just curious. Oh, and how many people are in the country illegally as of 2016? How many of them are Hispanic or Latino, and how many are from countries like China? Again, just curious whether you know, and what your source is. Because I'll be damned if I can find anything even remotely reliable, although DHS did say that over 700K overstayed in 2017 - where is the hate for them? www.foxnews.com/politics/more-than-700k-foreign-nationals-overstayed-visas-in-2017-dhs-says |
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Post by renthal on Dec 5, 2018 11:19:51 GMT -5
How about Trump's recent lies? I know, nobody cares if he lies because they have no effect. Dow up nearly 300 points yesterday. Because Trump lied that we and China were cool again. Today, when everyone found out it was a lie and he's full of shit, the Dow is down, what 700, 800 points. So brokers made bank on all the trading, but brokers are parasites, and just want any trades. I assume investors are delighted with that ineffectual lie and corresponding vaporized earnings. One President lies in state, another one just lies... |
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Dec 5, 2018 11:57:49 GMT -5
And they both have service dogs.
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Post by rally2xs on Dec 5, 2018 15:43:29 GMT -5
Let's assume that every person in this country illegally left tomorrow. How many American citizens would be willing to pick produce for $10-$11/hr (that's what you make depending on how quickly you can pick). Virtually nobody. That's excellent. Finally, the ultra-low wages would be banished, and those that want crops picked would start having to pay what its really worth without creating a subclass of poor people. Hell, they might have to pay $25 / hr to do it, seeing as how it is so physically demanding. That'd be great!!!! Nope. BUt California has the highest homeless rate in the country. 'Spose some of those people are tired of living on the streets, and would pick crops for $25 / hr? I think they might. The illegals would no longer be able to depress wages by their willingness to work for peanuts, because they wouldn't be here. Win-win for America. Them farmers will either pay it, switch crops to something that can be machine-picked, or create a market for some inventor to fill by inventing a crop-picking machine for that crop. With the state of automation and machine learning and vision, do you really think it is impossible to build a machine to pick oranges, grapes, tomatoes, etc? I'm sure they can build one, but when the farmer can get near-slave-labor, then he can keep doing that rather than buying a $150,000 picking machine. Actually, some company would buy that machine, and show up as the weather ripens the fruit / crop at different times of the year, and just follow the ripe-line from south to north, and contract their machine and its very experienced (US citizen)($25/hr) operator to pick that stuff with the machine. Mechanized harvesting is being short-circuited right now by the availability of near-slave labor. Do you want the $15 / hr minimum wage? I do, which makes me a bad Republican, but I don't care. I think everyone in this land of plenty is entitled to a living wage for any sort of job. Don't want to pay it? Then get out of business, or do it yourself. Betcherass. There should be no slave-labor wages in the USA. US citizens, at a decent wage, or close up shop, or do it yourself. Figure out a way to automate it. Whatever, but don't create poor people with your shit-wage job. Americans don't want 'em 'cuz there are lots of other jobs that are far less hard on the body than picking crops. You mentioned $11. That's what a cook at one of the places I frequent makes. That is crap wages, I'm pissed about it ever since I heard of it, and no, this guy is not anywhere close to entry level. He's way older than the "teen" that the Republicans tout as those who would lose their jobs if a $15 / hr minimum wage were instituted. In fact, go looking for the average wage of a cook. That's in places like Applebees, etc. $11 - $12. Its a disgrace, really. I'm for the $15 / hr minimum wage, and I don't mind making all these businesses pay up. There's just no excuse. As I said, I'm pissed... And that is something worth putting a stop to with a law. It won't be their own roof at $8, it'll be some landlord's charging way too much for way too little, and keeping the person in poverty. F that, I say. But they should be able to, and if the illegals were gone, the subsequent labor shortage would drive up the wage scale. Then pretty much anyone with a job would be able to afford the health insurance, and employers would be offering it as an inducement to get the rare employee who is looking for work somewhere besides where he is already working to come to work for them. This problem would be self-solving by creating the labor shortage that would be created by booting all the damned illegals back where they came from. Doesn't have to be that way. No, its not. Yep, it is "no health care" as you sit in line and wait while your cancer spreads to the point that by the time you do get to see someone, you are then stage 4 and they can give you morphine to keep it from hurting too much as you die. This is the VA healthcare system, where soldiers die on waiting lists, and is our very own gov't funded healthcare. Rationing by waiting. Sucks, I say. Yep, and their best chance is to remove the 22 million illegals, so employers have no choice but to pay up for rare labor, and it'd all be rare... Nope, and I got better things to do right now. Surgery tomorrow, catheterization of the heart. If I stop posting suddenly, then it probably didn't go well. Getting ready for that. Expecting a call from the prep nurse in about half an hour, maybe. Need to wash clothes, make up a bag of necessaries to take along. I can answer this because I type fast now. Can't go screwing around looking for that sort of information. You couldn't find it, I probably couldn't either. What savings? I don't have any savings. What I have is 3 entities - the Feds that owe me a pension, an insurance company that I bought an annuity from that owes me monthly payments, and Social Security that sends me $326 / month for the few years I worked that was covered by SS, while most of my work was federal under CSRS, which isn't in the SS system. Savings? Nope. It would be. It should remain so. It should be so much that people would do almost anything to avoid it. I would look for something to do first that enabled me to earn some money to get those things, rather than asking for it. News report a few weeks ago says the new count is 22 million. Don't know, don't care. Send 'em all home. Don't hate 'em, beyond my standard hate for criminals of all sorts, and they are criminals for violating our immigration laws, but just want them gone. |
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Post by minx on Dec 5, 2018 15:58:29 GMT -5
So, if you weren't fortunate enough to work for the federal government, and didn't have that great insurance, would you be having that catheterization done tomorrow?
And there are thousands upon thousands of Americans who don't get any medical care because THEY HAVE NO FUCKING INSURANCE!
Why do they have no insurance? Mainly because either their job doesn't offer it, or because they can't afford the premiums that their employer charges.
Raising the minimum wage to $15/hr won't change that.
And if the 'cheap labor' is gone, then prices will skyrocket, and only the rich will be able to afford luxury items like food. Because if there was a market for a $150,000 machine that could reliably pick tomatoes and melons, it would have been invented by now - much better to pay for a nice reliable machine, then to have to deal with pesky workers. (And, no I am not joking about that - I suspect that almost any large employer would love to automate as much shit as they can, as long as it's reliable).
And somehow, if you lost your pension and had to live on SS alone, I don't picture you being a happy McDonald's employee. In fact, they wouldn't hire you - too old, too many health issues, and clearly you will quickly find the job 'beneath you' and want to quit. Better to hire someone younger without an education.
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Post by rally2xs on Dec 5, 2018 16:22:24 GMT -5
So, if you weren't fortunate enough to work for the federal government, and didn't have that great insurance, would you be having that catheterization done tomorrow? Maybe, maybe not. Sending the F'n illegals back home would change that. It would create a worker shortage, and employers would be falling all over themselves to provide people with certain benefits, among them health insurance, just to get someone to come and work for them. Nuking the damned income taxes would do the same thing, by having most of the world's manufacturing coming here, and competing for workers to work in their factories by offering benefits, one of which would be healthcare. That will be the market finding its new equilibrium, where commerce can happen for the most benefit of most people. No, there won't be 1000's of US citizens working the fields at $25 / hr like there are illegals working the fields for $11 or less. There will be machine-harvested things that will be like paying the illegals $15 / hr. Yeah, the price of food will go up. No, it won't go up a lot. Purdue University did a study on $15 / hr vs. fast food and found that the price of a Big Mac would likely go up $0.17 if I remember right. Republican hyperbole does not apply, prices will not skyrocket. www.marketwatch.com/story/raising-fast-food-hourly-wages-to-15-would-raise-prices-by-4-study-finds-2015-07-28Yeah, it would, but there's no market 'cuz paying slave wages to illegals is cheaper. Get rid of the illegals, you'll get the machines. Yes, that would be nice, just have to deal with the one pesky worker running the machine, unless you want to do it yourself. I agree. I'd be brushing up on computer skills and looking for work. At this point, I am also being fairly successful on the poker table, and have a plan to see if I can consistently haul $$$ out of the MGM Casino next year. Have to keep track of winnings and losings for tax purposes (damn, why not just pass the FairTax so none of us would be bothered with this), but I'm doing better as time goes by. See what happens. You're describing the current job situation. In a world where its really tough to get workers, like if all the damned illegals were booted out, or we passed the FairTax, employers would be taking anyone that could breathe. But of course I gave up "market rate" engineering wages, and accepted less to work with the gov't (it is almost always possible to leave the gov't and get more $$$ in the private sector), but the "compensation" with the gov't is things like this pension and the availability of healthcare insurance. Make your choices. I'm happy with my choice. If I only had SS, I'd probaby be living under a bridge for a short while, until my lack of access to my needed blood thinner caused another set of blood clots and I'd die. That's another way to thin the needy population, but I'm not for that, obviously. Gov't-funded healthcare is like that, 'cuz you do get denied healthcare by rationing by waiting, so I'm massively against it too for that reason. |
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Post by bobathon on Dec 5, 2018 17:28:39 GMT -5
Hey, Kool-Aid!
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Post by bobathon on Dec 11, 2018 14:23:32 GMT -5
So, how's trends? If you follow DJIA, it's down for the year.
Markets like stability. The current unstable prednisent cannot deliver stability. Winning.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Dec 11, 2018 19:20:42 GMT -5
Yeah I heard the gains for the whole year were wiped out in a few days. Must've been alternative facts.
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Post by bobathon on Dec 19, 2018 7:50:47 GMT -5
In fact, all the major markets are down since the start of the year. DJIA is down about 4%, S&P is down about 4%, and NASDAQ is down about 5%.
The Trump Slump continues. Winning.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Dec 19, 2018 10:29:37 GMT -5
It must be, has to be, Obama's fault. There's no other logical explanation.
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Post by minx on Dec 19, 2018 11:21:24 GMT -5
But her e-mails!!
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Post by rally2xs on Dec 19, 2018 11:27:48 GMT -5
It must be, has to be, Obama's fault. There's no other logical explanation. He keeps claiming this is his economy, so maybe it is. |
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jan 3, 2019 17:32:40 GMT -5
How is the Trump stock market doing? I only hear things from the fake news.
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Post by rally2xs on Jan 3, 2019 17:51:31 GMT -5
How is the Trump stock market doing? I only hear things from the fake news. Its not the Trump stock market any more, the Dems took the house and so now both business and investment sectors know that the prosperity train has run off the rails, and have no reason to be optimistic any more with the business-hating Democrats in the house - nothing good can originate there, so... 2 more years until there can possibly be a recovery. And all U morons that voted for Dems and are watching your 401k's plummet, you deserve it. Actions have consequences. Careful what you wish for. Etc. |
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Post by minx on Jan 3, 2019 17:55:51 GMT -5
Hahahahaha! So if the market goes back up next month, it's due to the democrats, right?
I love how you guys refuse to take any blame when things start going south......
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Post by bobathon on Jan 3, 2019 18:32:54 GMT -5
Well, that sure was a weak-ass economy you had, if the mere swearing in of just half the Congress made it wet its pants.
Look at the market trends. 2018 was never gangbusters, and starting slipping in early October, a month prior to the recent elections. Just goofle "djia", for example. Or "nasdaq". Or "s&p500". They all show the same thing. Also, he's still lying.
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Post by minx on Jan 4, 2019 9:37:09 GMT -5
I just want y'all to know that I have a sinus headache this morning. Do I blame all the democrats for this, or just Obama? I'm not sure anymore.
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Post by bobathon on Jan 4, 2019 10:43:22 GMT -5
I think now it's either Pelosi or the dancing commie, AOC.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jan 4, 2019 11:09:49 GMT -5
I just want y'all to know that I have a sinus headache this morning. Do I blame all the democrats for this, or just Obama? I'm not sure anymore. I have one too. Must just be a glitch. |
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Post by rally2xs on Jan 4, 2019 12:56:18 GMT -5
I had a headache last night - a side-effect from the new drug, Isosorbate, a nitroglycerine product that supercharges my heart - much more energy - and took a couple tylenol which, fortunately, fixes it in 3 minutes. Sorry to hear about y'alls pain, hope that it goes away rapidly.
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Post by k9krap on Jan 4, 2019 16:48:37 GMT -5
I just want y'all to know that I have a sinus headache this morning. Do I blame all the democrats for this, or just Obama? I'm not sure anymore. I have one too. Must just be a glitch. Me three! It emerged as I was getting ready for bed earlier today. I’m still not convinced mine isn’t stress, but it resides in the area of my sinuses. My stress headaches usually do as well. |
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Post by bobathon on Jan 4, 2019 17:09:50 GMT -5
Me four, starting when I heard "months or years".
By the way, markets are looking hot today, THANK YOU NANCY PELOSI!
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Post by minx on Jan 4, 2019 18:19:29 GMT -5
Go Democrats!!
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