Last day

[bobathon]

to enroll in Barack Hussein (HUSSEIN!) Obama's AntiAmerican Commiecare.

[Dave's Not Here Man]

Thanks. I noticed the current liar in chief's people really did nothing to inform anyone of the deadline.

[rally2xs]

Doesn't matter, its been struck down by a federal judge, and so now has to be repealed and replaced. There will be no appeal to the Supreme Court because this administration is not going to defend the anti-freedom law. Yay!!! Rid of it at last. Now, DJT and both sides of the aisle are committed to replacing it while protecting those with pre-existing conditions. There must be a way without bankrupting either the insurance companies or the taxpayers. Hope they find it.

Oh, and the "single payer" popular in Europe - the welfare state of Germany, not exactly single-payer but greatly public assisted - my friend in Maryland has relatives who are Germans living in Germany and he went and visited them and asked them what their income tax rates were. "65%" they said. I don't think what we see in some of the tables of world tax rates tell the whole story, and its much higher in actuality. And, the Germans have a miniscule defense establishment that doesn't cost them much. If we tried SP with our defense budget and our national debt interest payments, I expect that our income tax rates would be close to 80 - 90 percent, not just for the rich, but for everyone. Wanna do that? Me neither. But these schemes don't work, AND they're always hideously expensive because of the waste, fraud, and abuse.

[bobathon]

Hey, Kool-Aid!

It's a Good Look to be gloating over impending human deaths. Sanctity of human life and all.

Also, that ruling will be overturned on appeal.

[minx]

We've been told since this law was passed that the Republicans had a plan if it was repealed.
In 2016, the Republicans had a majority in the House and Senate, and the country had just elected a president who campaigned on 'repeal and replace', saying that he had an amazing plan.

It's now going into 2019. There has been neither a repeal or a replace, and in fact there has not even been a coherent plan for the 'replace' part articulated

Why on earth should I or anyone else believe that the Republican Party and Donald Trump are going to make good on their promise? There has been more than enough time to create a plan, yet I don't see anything even resembling one.

I know it's cold, but Thank God I have insurance. Sadly, my friends who might lose theirs under this ruling aren't so lucky, are they?

Out of curiosity Rally, what exactly does *your* health insurance plan consist of? If you could change the ACA, what would you put into it, and at what cost?
And I don't want to hear crap about the economy taking care of it through the big wonderful tax cut.
Insurance and medical care should not be your employer's responsibility - I shouldn't have to stay in a crappy job where I'm treated like dirt just to keep health insurance.

[rally2xs]

Just get the gov't the hell out of our lives.

Repeal O'care.

Keep Net Neutrality dead, dead, dead.

Repeal the income taxes and the 16th Amendment.

What else? Oh, yeah, repeal Common Core, all the gun control laws, and the idea that the federal gov't has the right to starve kids by telling them to eat stuff they won't eat at school (or anywhere else.)

[sipowitz86]

You're retarded, rally. Nothing more to it. No wonder you benefit so much from govt assistance.

[bobathon]

He's an idiot anarchist.

[rally2xs]

I am just for maximizing freedom. Up until 1913, we, the American people, were free of the gov't stealing from us and calling it "income tax." No one but my parents told me what I had to eat at school. There were far more things I could do with a rifle or shotgun when I was a kid than I can do now because of unconstitutional gun control laws. I never "had" to buy any healthcare before Obamacare, I simply chose to. Before the Obama administration came up with the hare-brained Net Neutrality law, the internet ran just fine without the gov't's interference in free trade. How the hell did the Federal gov't get into the business of telling citizens what must be taught in schools when it is strictly a local function to educate children?

I just like having as much freedom to do as I please as I can get. The more laws the gov't makes, the fewer choices I have. That's not how this country was set up to run. The people that founded the country really loved freedom, and a lot of them died to give it to us. I hate the gov't's continuing to infringe upon it more and more and more. On a tangential subject, if we hadn't made damned near everything illegal, we wouldn't be the number 1 country on the face of the planet to be incarcerating citizens - drug laws, gun laws, tax laws, millions of laws that nobody can possibly hope to know even with a lifetime of study, enabling the state to jail virtually anyone by digging up some obscure law that they broke while simply attempting to remain breathing.

In the movie "The Golden Child" with Eddie Murphy, one of the characters' obscure lines that you might miss if you weren't paying close attention was, "The loss of justice (another golden child) was.." something - a blow to humanity, whatever. But now we have the FBI interviewing a career army man, General Flynn, for the record without telling him it was for the record, advising him he didn't need a lawyer, failing to advise him that he could be in legal jeopardy if he were to simply mis-remember something that could be later shown to be not the way he remembered it, all while a no-question violator of the espionage act for multiple counts over a period of years has an exoneration letter being composed far before many witnesses were interviewed including the miscreant herself. The popular saying, "There ain't no justice" is unfortunately true, in part due to a rampant passage of laws prohibiting nearly everything, laws virtually guaranteed to be broken by people simply going about leading their lives without any malice or intent to do anything but good. Whether you get prosecuted depends far too much upon who you are.

I will always speak against our losses of freedom, and oppose even more losses of freedom with yet more and more and more laws that work to remove those freedoms.

[minx]

Yes, and when our country was founded, many of our founding fathers owned other human beings and saw absolutely no issue with that.

And no one told me what to eat in school either, but many of my classmates went hungry because their parents couldn't afford food - let's go back to that time, shall we?

And back before FDR was elected, many senior citizens were literally worked to death because they had no other alternative since SS didn't exist - let's go back, shall we?

Several people in my HS were killed in car accidents that they could have survived because seat belts and air bags weren't mandatory.

Want me to go on?

As for health care, wanna guess how many people died because they couldn't afford it? Wanna guess how many people still do?

[rally2xs]

Dec 16, 2018 12:42:35 GMT -5 minx said:

Yes, and when our country was founded, many of our founding fathers owned other human beings and saw absolutely no issue with that.

That is absolutely not true. They hated it, but could not form the United States of America without the southern colonies, who relied greatly on slave labor. Many of their writings lamented slavery, and stated that the would get rid of it if they could. Benjamin Franklin was elected the president of the Pennsylvania Abolishinment society in 1785. It was just a hard to get rid of institution, kinda like income taxes are now.

And they couldn't engage in commercial agriculture and not use slaves themselves, otherwise the prices they'd have to charge would be too high, and they'd be out of business. If they were going to farm and sell the produce, the had to keep the price down for people to be able to afford to eat, and that meant using slaves or not doing it. If nobody did it, people would starve. Soooo... they used slaves until they could get slavery abolished. They never did. We did in 1865 and an incredible cost in lives and property. But we did it. But they wanted to do it, they just failed to get it done.

And no one told me what to eat in school either, but many of my classmates went hungry because their parents couldn't afford food - let's go back to that time, shall we?

Then their parents were derelict in their duties, and quite possibly criminally so. You go to their houses, you'll probably find their parents wasting money on cigarettes, beer, and lots of other things that they don't need. Not feeding the kids would be child neglect, and worthy of going to jail.

And back before FDR was elected, many senior citizens were literally worked to death because they had no other alternative since SS didn't exist - let's go back, shall we?

That's just the way things are. How was it different in all of history? People have always worked until they die unless they somehow could save up enough to live on at some point. When SS was instituted, it was age 65, and most people didn't live that long anyway. Its never meant to be anything but a minimalistic safety net. People are supposed to save up and retire on their earnings and savings. Of course, income taxes have made saving nearly impossible, but that's another subject.

Several people in my HS were killed in car accidents that they could have survived because seat belts and air bags weren't mandatory.

Yep. But should you be ABLE to buy a car without that stuff? I think so - it'd probably be half the price of the cars we have now.

Want me to go on?

So you can be even more wrong?

As for health care, wanna guess how many people died because they couldn't afford it? Wanna guess how many people still do?

How about we require the medics to post prices for everything. Was just reading that a blood test for a veterinarian is something like $26, while it is insanely more expensive for people. Want to get rid of one of the big drivers of it, malpractice lawsuits? There's lots of regulations that we could make that wouldn't be freedom-killing like O'care, and would help the situation, but we don't. Why not?

[bobathon]

Here's The Founders ordering, by law, that people go buy stuff. For the common benefit. You imagine freedoms you never had, you duped anarchist.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_Acts_of_1792

You got yours, rally, everyone else should just fuck off and die, right?

[minx]

First off, read a little more about Jefferson and Washington - they did amazing things, but they also fully relied on slaves to make (and keep) their money. And yes, they were fully men of their times in that regard. For all their writing about 'hating' the institution of slavery, they didn't have a problem with having their slaves whipped, or with giving their friends a slave as a birthday or wedding present. And if one of them dared to run away, they went after them with a vengeance. Oh yeah, they also thought that Africans were most definitely inferior to whites - their idea of 'freeing the slaves' still kept them in bondage, just treated a little better.

As for your comment on parents being negligent, clearly you know nothing about poverty at all.

"People were supposed to save" Did your parents have a 401(k), or did their employer provide them with a semi-decent pension? When we get down to it, you yourself were fortunate enough to have been employed when the government gave you a good pension. We're under FERS, so if you didn't have the money to put into your TSP, you're pretty much screwed. But again, that would be because you were smart enough to be born during a time period before FERS was instituted.

I would 100% agree that you could buy a car without any safety equipment, just as I would agree that you could ride a motorcycle without a helmet, as long as you signed a contract that said regardless of the circumstances, if you were injured in a car accident, the state, and your regular health insurance wouldn't have to pay a dime for your injuries, and that your forfeited all rights to sue. Of course in the Real World, the people who would end up being screwed by this would once again be the poor, who would have no choice but to buy the stripped down car because it was affordable. They would then spend their time hoping that nothing happened.

And I agree that medical providers should have to make their prices public. Health insurance companies should have to do so as well. That way we can all see that while Doctor X, Doctor Y and Doctor Z each charge $150 for an x-ray, BC will only reimburse $50, because they think it's the 'usual' rate for your area.
Oh, and BTW, my vet might charge $26 for a blood test, but at the same time, if his technician screws it up, my pet might get sick or die. If the technician at MWH screws it up, they might be killing another person. Slight difference there.

[rally2xs]

Washington and Jefferson were in commercial agriculture. There was no way to do commercial agriculture profitably without using slaves. So, they used slaves. Had they not, someone else would have owned that land, farmed it, and used slaves. IOW, its not their fault - they just were forced by the economic conditions of the day to use slaves.

As for poverty and parents, my parents parents (grandparents) were poor, but the kids ate first. If someone was hungry, it was the grandparents, not the kids. Doing otherwise CAN be a violation of the law and may get your kids taken away in modern life. In the past, kids were often given away to other relatives to be raised, or sometimes even simply friends or acquaintances to live if the parents couldn't provide. Kids going hungry is actionable in court.

|Parents had pensions. I was fortunate to get hired just a few months before everything went FERS. FERS sucks. I guess it's viable, if you take full advantage and always contribute the maximum allowable, as I believe the gov't has seen to it that there aren't a pile of bankers that essentially siphon off most of your earned interest, but you have to tend it constantly, and get out of stocks at the right time and into gov't securities at the right time, etc. I watched the stock market back in 2007, when my TSP was heavy into stocks, saw the ever-ascending stock market start to level off, said to myself, "That ain't good", and whipped everything I had into gov't securities. The crash happened, and I didn't lose a dime. I also didn't pick up on the rise of the stock market after the crash, and could probably have had maybe double the TSP savings if I had gotten back into stocks at the right time, so I guess I was only half smart, but anyway, it's enough. Happy with my decisions for the most part. But you can't just sit there and let things happen, you have to "ride herd" on the damned things.

I think it'd be sufficient that the individual risks death and dismemberment as a price for buying the really cheap, not-necessarily-engineered to crash car, without giving up any right to be treated by the insurance he's paying for. If the insurance companies would want to charge extra for owning a car not engineered to crash, I guess they could. They're doing that when insuring motorcycles already, as they are even more risky than such cars. Not worth talking about, I suppose, as it's never going to happen, but the poor are getting screwed already by the high price of cars.

The bottom line with the poor is that they are _always_ going to get screwed, its a fact of life with being poor. The President is working as mightily as he can to bring jobs back from overseas and cross-border so that people have opportunities for good jobs that will make them not-poor. That's the best strategy - abolish as many poor as possible by making them not-poor. Make them middle class. I'm all for this, BTW. I think the President is doing this right. Democrats, by the way, are doing it wrong by promoting illegal immigration by opposing the only thing that actually works to stop 1000's of illegals from simply walking across the border and disappearing into the countryside, the wall. Without the wall, the illegals just rush the border patrol en masse, and some of them are successful by outnumbering the BP so badly. Stick a wall up, and they have to climb a 30 ft wall, it takes time, and the BP will nab them as the come down the other side, 1 at a time. Plus, ever climb a 30 ft ladder? Scary as hell. You probably won't get half of 'em to try it, and probably won't be successful with kids.  But if illegals get here, they will work for peanuts, displace citizens that want more than peanuts, and once again keep citizens poor, while the illegals low wages keeps them poor too.   Promoting illegal immigration promotes poverty, period.

I don't think the price of a blood test reflects the quality or accuracy of it. I think the price is most affected by the insurance available to pay for it which is viewed as a bottomless money pit by those providing the blood test, and the prospect of a malpractice lawsuit (or any sort of lawsuit) that isn't nearly as likely nor as likely to be awarded millions of dollars if it results in a pet death as opposed to a human death.

[minx]

Yes, kids eat first, IF you have food. And when you don't have food, guess what meal is the first to go goodbye - lunch.
I am surprised that you support government regulations that would allow the government to take children away from their parents, since you seem to be against all government regulations.

As you noted FERS sucks if you don't get a good education in the stock market and investments. So do 401(k) and IRAs, yet we're all stuck with them because of pro-business regulations that have allowed employers to shirk any responsibility for taking care of their workforce. Maybe that will change if jobs come back from overseas, but I don't see it happening. Plus, I don't see a lot of 'office' jobs coming back. The jobs that Trump is touting all require physical labor to perform. Many people on SSI right now could work, but they can't perform physical labor due to injuries sustained in factory work. Do we just want to keep this cycle going forever? I get a job out of school on the manufacturing floor. I do work my way up to a foreman, but I'm still on the floor. At 50 my back, legs, whatever finally give out, and I can't do factory work. Since there is no other type of work available, my only real choice is to go on disability, or starve. Meanwhile, all I want to do is work somewhere and pay my own way.
We need to have multiple pathways for both employment and learning throughout life, so that Joe Factory Worker doesn't get screwed when the manufacturing plant closes and he doesn't know how to run a computer, and Joe Office Worker doesn't get screwed when his office closes and all he's ever done is sit at a computer.

And in terms of being willing to risk serious injury or death as the price for a cheap stripped down car, but saying that insurance should still pay for your injuries? I call total bullshit. No for-profit insurance is going to take on that risk, and so people will drive uninsured, and therefore need Medicaid when the crash occurs. Using your logic on any type of universal health care, why should I pay for your irresponsibility?

And yes, it would be great to help the poor get a leg-up out of poverty, and jobs should be part of that strategy.
Doesn't do any good to have a job out there if I don't have money to afford a car, there is no public transit, and it's way too far to walk. It's not a matter of being lazy - it's a matter of a total lack of resources. You live in KG. If the only job available was in Fredericksburg City, and you didn't have a drivers license, much less money to pay for a car, how exactly would you get to said job?

[rally2xs]

Dec 17, 2018 16:20:21 GMT -5 minx said:

Yes, kids eat first, IF you have food. And when you don't have food, guess what meal is the first to go goodbye - lunch.
I am surprised that you support government regulations that would allow the government to take children away from their parents, since you seem to be against all government regulations.

You have to pay attention. I am _for_ regulations that make sense, like those that even the playing field for business by keeping one's competitor from dumping their waste in the river and therefore incurring no waste disposal expense so that they can sell their widgets for less than you can because you dispose of your waste properly. The regulations make sure that you aren't at a disadvantage for doing the right thing.

Gov't laws / regulations need to protect kids who obviously can't protect themselves.

As you noted FERS sucks if you don't get a good education in the stock market and investments.

Its not much of a class - Naval Avionics Center in Indy just had an outside firm hold classes on money management - didn't take too long - that's when a lot of us saw our mistake by not throwing $$$ into the TSP.

So do 401(k) and IRAs, yet we're all stuck with them because of pro-business regulations that have allowed employers to shirk any responsibility for taking care of their workforce.

I don't think there has ever been a requirement to provide health insurance, at least before O'care. It was all done as a lur to labor to come work for that company 'cuz then you'd be taken care of. As jobs went overseas, the few that remained had a plethora of people to choose from, and so those seeking work didn't have the bargaining chip of being a rare commodity - labor - and the employers didn't have to much compete to get help. They just advertised the job and how much it paid, and waited for some starving illegal to show up and do it for a dollar two ninety eight an hour. Problem solved, except that labor could no longer command healthcare as a perk. Trump is trying to create the labor shortage that will bring back those conditions and cause employers to cough up such benefits to be able to find workers, but its tough when there's already 22 million illegals here and they are pouring across the border unimpeded because there is no wall to slow them down so that the Border Patrol has a reasonable chance to catch them all. They just run across, hundred's at a time, and both the BP officers assigned to that portion of the border can catch maybe a dozen, and the other couple hundred just disappear into the night. Then they show up somewhere the next week, looking for work and willing to do it for peanuts.

Maybe that will change if jobs come back from overseas, but I don't see it happening.

If Trump had gotten his 15% corporate tax, it'd be happening a lot quicker, but it's happening anyway. The impediments are the globalists in congress that are plugged into the money stream of industrialists that send jobs overseas and make billions while closing factories here. The way to fix it is not to pass laws saying they can't do it, those don't work. Instead make building things in the USA so cheap (by getting rid of taxes) that it starts to be insane to build things anywhere else.

Plus, I don't see a lot of 'office' jobs coming back.

We've got way too many office jobs already. People go to college to be able to do 'em. What we really need are jobs that don't require going to college to do them, and that would be labor jobs on factory floors.

The jobs that Trump is touting all require physical labor to perform.

Yep. You can do those with on the job training right out of high school, don't need to amass a huge student loan to do them, and can become prosperous in a very short time.

Many people on SSI right now could work, but they can't perform physical labor due to injuries sustained in factory work.

Well there's a lot of them that can, too.

Do we just want to keep this cycle going forever? I get a job out of school on the manufacturing floor. I do work my way up to a foreman, but I'm still on the floor. At 50 my back, legs, whatever finally give out, and I can't do factory work.

My parents both did factory work, Dad went all the way to 65, and no problems. Mom retrained to be a teacher after an economic downturn that saw her factory job go away, but either one of them could do factory work into their 60's if they wanted to. I've never done factory work, but 50 is waaaay too early to consider being incapacitated for that sort of work - I dug, by hand, the 4' X 4' X 6' foundation for my tower by hand at age 56. After acquiring a new drug from my cardiologist a couple weeks ago, I feel like I might be able to do it again - miracle drug, Isosorbide. Feel about 20 years younger, really.

Since there is no other type of work available,

Nonsense. Factory jobs paying good money create other jobs to service the people making the good money. Those people having the "good money" will pay more for things - you could probably do fairly well delivering pizza in an area like that. If you went to the N. Dakota oil fields during that big boom, everyone was making money because those workers were, and were able to spread it around. And of course in that case, there were a lot of jobs that didn't require so much physical labor, like truck drivers in those areas making 6 figures. And back to the factory floor, in the few years prior to retirement, my Dad ended up taking care of the plant's boilers that provided the steam to power a lot of things around the factory. It wasn't a really high-impact sort of labor, and he did that right up to retirement. Of course it was easier for him since he was, by that time, a master workman, and knew all the labor-saving shortcuts there were.

my only real choice is to go on disability, or starve.

Lots of options in an area where people are making big $$$ in factory jobs.

Meanwhile, all I want to do is work somewhere and pay my own way.

Having widespread prosperity facilitates that.

We need to have multiple pathways for both employment and learning throughout life, so that Joe Factory Worker doesn't get screwed when the manufacturing plant closes and he doesn't know how to run a computer,

We need to make an environment where factories are opening, not closing. Kill the f'n income taxes and that will happen.

and Joe Office Worker doesn't get screwed when his office closes and all he's ever done is sit at a computer.

Have to keep these businesses from closing, and also have many other such places to work in the area because they haven't all fled US income taxes by going overseas.

And in terms of being willing to risk serious injury or death as the price for a cheap stripped down car, but saying that insurance should still pay for your injuries? I call total bullshit. No for-profit insurance is going to take on that risk,

Nonsense. They insure motorcyclists which are higher risk, mountain climbers, skydivers, etc. etc.

and so people will drive uninsured, and therefore need Medicaid when the crash occurs. Using your logic on any type of universal health care, why should I pay for your irresponsibility?

Why? So you can have the freedom to do what you want to when you want to. Do you value freedom? Doesn't sound like it. Sounds like you're OK being a slave of the state.

And yes, it would be great to help the poor get a leg-up out of poverty, and jobs should be part of that strategy.
Doesn't do any good to have a job out there if I don't have money to afford a car, there is no public transit, and it's way too far to walk.

Move to my hometown, Fostoria, Ohio, factories all over the place, its about 2.5 miles in diameter, and you can walk / bicycle anywhere in town to get to work, school, swimming, etc. You can't see a movie there any more, but OTOH, Ohio doesn't ave a bullshit car inspection scheme making everything more expensive, and requiring repairs that only benefit the garages that do the repairs. Finding someone walking anywhere in my hometown is or was something that just didn't happen unless they really wanted to. IOW, everyone could figure out how to have a car of some sort.

It's not a matter of being lazy - it's a matter of a total lack of resources.

Its a matter of choices. Choose to do it where you can get it done, move where the work is, move where living is cheaper, etc. I found a house and lot in my hometown a few weeks ago, I think it was $25K. You can afford that running pizzas.

You live in KG. If the only job available was in Fredericksburg City, and you didn't have a drivers license, much less money to pay for a car, how exactly would you get to said job?

I might move back to my hometown, where I can ride a bike to work and can afford a house and lot by borrowing money on my credit card, they're that cheap. I could also probably share the rent with someone like me and pay even less for living expenses in a rental apartment. Have to be willing to do what it takes.

[minx]

I love how you say that people should just move as if everyone can pack up and go to another area with a snap of their fingers.

If I'm living in a motel and trying to figure out how to feed my family who is also living in the hotel with me, I'm not going to have enough money to afford to go to another city. Hell, most people living in motels don't have enough to put a security deposit down on a new place, assuming one that's affordable opens up. How the hell will they get the money to move and get re-established?

I know you say that businesses are going to shell out those relocation costs, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Meanwhile, those people need to eat and keep some sort of shelter over their heads. And they're in motels because they ARE doing what it takes to try and survive.

[bobathon]

Yeah, Seven 11 is footing relocation costs. As if.

[rally2xs]

This is actually near Toledo, Ohio:

www.apartmentguide.com/apartments/Ohio/Walbridge/Owens-Lake-Commons/165594/

$396 / month. Motels are expensive. If you're paying for a motel, you can more than pay for this. $396 / 30 days / month = $13.20 / day. Motel for $13.20 a day? Don't think so. Can you make that much running pizzas? Sure you can. You don't have to, tho, if you roomate with someone. C'mon, be flexible. You can't put together a free ride from here to Toledo, maybe via friends, etc?

Vito's Pizza in Toledo is looking for a delivery driver, $15 - $20 / hr.

www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Pizza%20delivery%20drivere&l=Toledo%2C%20Oh&vjk=92b4e8309d96ca4c Pay for that apartment and have some $ left over.

And everything in Toledo is cheaper than it is around here.

Oh, wait, there's another angle to free transport:


www.theguardian.com/travel/2013/dec/03/driveaway-drive-across-us-canada-free-drive-out-courier

Yeah, people will pay you to drive their cars to a destination so they don't have to.   Wait for someone that wants their car in Toledo and lives around here somewhere - might take some waiting...   But you're living in a motel anyway, right...   you can wait...

[minx]

Last I checked, most places want a security deposit and first month's rent upfront before they let you in.
So, I'm living at the motel 6, and all my money is going there. Poor decision I know, but when the landlord evicted me and the kids, I didn't really have much of a choice, seeing as I didn't want them sleeping on the street.
I would love to move to Toledo, but my car is a piece of crap (did I mention that I had to use over half of my last paycheck on a car repair? Not sure where I'm going to get the money for the hotel, but I have a week to figure that one out - maybe my ex will finally send me that child support check. Wish I had money for a lawyer so I could find him and garnish his paycheck. State isn't much help with that right now....)

Anyway, I wish I could afford to move. Lots of friends say they 'wish' they could help, but no one has come through with anything. I just don't know how I can get myself and the two kids out there. I should have been a better spouse, because then my ex might not have run off with someone else when money started getting tight.


It's really easy to say 'pack up and leave', but when you have no money at all it's rather hard to do.

[bobathon]

And, you have to quit your three part time jerbs to take the promise of a jerb elsewhere. Rip the kids out of school for that potential, too.

It's all so easy for a retired federal employee living alone.