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Post by No. 1 son on Apr 24, 2019 7:12:24 GMT -5
it certainly doesn't speak well for us in the world, even if we ignore it at home. Speaking at Texas A&M
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Post by rally2xs on Apr 24, 2019 9:28:55 GMT -5
You have a problem with that? It's the CIA. They're SPIES. That's what spies do. And they do it for our country. We can use all we can get of such people, because they take huge risks when doing it, but do it anyway. For us.
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Post by bobathon on Apr 24, 2019 9:32:14 GMT -5
True Believers are dangerous.
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Post by No. 1 son on Apr 24, 2019 9:51:31 GMT -5
Oh dear. If they lie to accomplish their goals (and I emphasize Their goals) what makes you so sure they don't lie to everyone else, but not you? That's pretty naive isn't it? There is no oversight.
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Post by minx on Apr 24, 2019 10:22:18 GMT -5
I dunno Rally - it may be what spies do, but I don't see a lot of other countries having their spies going on speaking tours and joking about how they took 'training courses' in how to do it. Nor do I see a lot of spies joking around about their exploits.
Almost like they know that what they do is quite serious and can get a whole lot of innocent people killed if they make a mistake, which is not a joking matter. Whereas we treat it like a day in the park. Then we wonder why other countries don't want to share all their intelligence with us....
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Post by sipowitz86 on Apr 24, 2019 12:23:56 GMT -5
Just want to check that the silenced one is probably huzzahing our foreign surveillance apparatus. Ya know, that same apparatus that certain people refer to as something like Derp State that so "unfairly" targeted a certain poor, kind, and completely exonerated innocent dude?
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Post by minx on Apr 24, 2019 14:52:17 GMT -5
Don't be silly - the Deep State is composed of liberals who are out to get us, while the CIA are true-blue patriots who can do no wrong.
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Post by bobathon on Apr 25, 2019 7:37:04 GMT -5
So, rally, why did the CIA say that Trump was COLLUDING with the Rooskies? And that Wikileaks was a Roosky tool? Different CIA? LOLz.
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Post by rally2xs on Apr 25, 2019 10:42:27 GMT -5
So, rally, why did the CIA say that Trump was COLLUDING with the Rooskies? Because they were deep state actors attempting to perform a coup, along with the FBI. Wikileaks is a wholly anti-American tool. The Russkies may use it, I dunno, but it should be burned to the ground as an act of war. Corruption. |
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Post by bobathon on Apr 25, 2019 10:50:26 GMT -5
Wow, they replaced the entire CIA. Imagine that - you have to, since it didn't happen. Your excuse making is pathetic and dishonest. And I think you know that, but don't care, because lying to libs.
PS Trumpco Campaign worked with Wikileaks. They also met with the Rooskies, A LOT, and welcomed their support. They knew wiki's leaks ahead of time and coordinated efforts. That is all public info, now.
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Post by No. 1 son on Apr 25, 2019 12:50:37 GMT -5
Rally, consider this for a minute, and I know you feel. Reason to believe. That's good. For one minute, think how the CYA, and I include all the sec state players as well as the state dept, NATO, and the pentagon would pass disinformation and mixed messages on to the people via the press. Would or could that include "hacked" accounts like wiki leaks and others? Of course it could. You or me or anyone else could never know what's real or fabricated. Blind faith has got us to the point where we are now the people that we once warned people about.
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Post by rally2xs on Apr 25, 2019 13:53:09 GMT -5
Wow, they replaced the entire CIA. Imagine that - you have to, since it didn't happen. Your excuse making is pathetic and dishonest. And I think you know that, but don't care, because lying to libs. Don't need to replace entire CIA, they just have to have bad guys at the top, like the FBI did. These are all mainstream media lies, which you are simply believing in spite of what the Mueller report said. |
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Post by rally2xs on Apr 25, 2019 14:10:09 GMT -5
Rally, consider this for a minute, and I know you feel. Reason to believe. That's good. For one minute, think how the CYA, and I include all the sec state players as well as the state dept, NATO, and the pentagon would pass disinformation and mixed messages on to the people via the press. Would or could that include "hacked" accounts like wiki leaks and others? Of course it could. You or me or anyone else could never know what's real or fabricated. Blind faith has got us to the point where we are now the people that we once warned people about. Yeah, its hard to know what to believe. I have to just go along with the idea that the Constitution is the controlling document, I see the left is mostly the ones trying to subvert it, and therefore know that I should be opposing the left. I do it now mostly automatically, although attempt to find ideas amongst them that are worthwhile, so I don't automatically reject something just because its their idea and maybe pass up something worthwhile. If you take the free course on the Constitution offered by Hillsdale College, you learn of the rise of the "progressives" and the idea that these folks mostly want to expand the gov't waaaay beyond what the Constitution says, so they resent the Constitution as a limiting document, and have been attempting to subvert it continuously for about the last 80 - 100 years. They've gone beyond, with the "gun control" that is just an incremental way to eventually confiscate all the guns, and now have broken new ground against the 1st Amendment with "Political Correctness" and even have some conservative folks agreeing that "hate speech" ought to be banned / outlawed / otherwise suppressed. I of course disagree, the solution to bad speech is your own good speech, and most any decent argument will win out over hateful argument with most people, so what's to fear? The 4th Amendment encroachments seem to be advanced by both sides, although I think the left may be happier about them, but TSA is an absolute violation of the 4th Amendment but they just "do it anyway." Airlines can set up any sort of screening they want, or none at all, and go with that, but having the gov't do it, with agents paid by the gov't goes against the 4th. And on and on. Mark Levin says we're in a "post constitutional" society and he is probably right, but I"d really like to reverse that trend. I think we'd be FAR better off, for instance, in repealing absolutely all the gun control laws, and let citizens deter criminals via their own firearms. I think school shootings would disappear overnight, and if someone actually tried, they'd be cut down by teachers / janitors / food service people / teacher's assistants / any other armed adult that happened to be at the school. IOW, these gun control laws are _causing_ school shootings. Anyway, break is over, got to get back to preparing my car for a road rally in Pittsburgh this weekend. A solder connection, insert a fuse to activate, and... I should be ready. Go out and test with a trip to the gym, and see if the rally computer and everything is getting good reliable power. If not, then get a battery and troubleshoot when I get back. |
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Post by bobathon on Apr 25, 2019 15:25:47 GMT -5
Rally. My PS is what the Mueller report said. It confirms that, as Jr and Rudy said, they met with the Rooskies, A LOT. They knew what wiki was gonna leak. Maybe you should get a copy and read it instead of having it filtered even more than Bill "El Redacto"* Barr did.
*Say, maybe you ought to look into his past actions, under some other administration. See what an honest broker he is.
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Post by bobathon on Apr 26, 2019 6:39:37 GMT -5
Wonder what Fox News' resident Judge thinks? Wonder no more:
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Post by rally2xs on Apr 26, 2019 8:57:15 GMT -5
OK, he did it.
I'll trade that for the booming economy. IOW, I don't give a shit. DJT is the _only_ person that can make this economy perform the way it has been, and ultimately, the whole investigation was illegal because it arose out of the "Steele Dossier" which was absolute bullshit, and put before a FISA judge and told it was gospel when in fact it was a piece of "opposition research" paid for by Hillary Clinton who bought it off a (former) foreign spy, Steele, who colluded with Russians for its basic premises. IOW, the "Russian Collusion" occurred between Hillary and the Russians. But the Mueller investigation should never have taken place, and a pile of FBI guys that lied to a FISA judge should be in jail, and that may yet happen.
Take out Trump, and the economy goes back to the widespread poverty and lack of growth that we had before. I'll take the diminishment of human suffering over "getting" the President, and that's my bottom line.
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Post by minx on Apr 26, 2019 9:13:39 GMT -5
Out of curiosity. If the Mueller report showed clear collusion with Russia and said that Putin and Trump worked together to throw the election, would you still say it doesn't matter because under Trump the economy improved?
At what point do you say the economy doesn't matter, but ethics and integrity do? I am genuinely curious.
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Post by sipowitz86 on Apr 26, 2019 9:22:45 GMT -5
The economy doesn't matter to him either. Just to get in front of this.
If and when we get another recession under Trump, it won't matter in the slightest.
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Post by rally2xs on Apr 26, 2019 9:28:18 GMT -5
Out of curiosity. If the Mueller report showed clear collusion with Russia and said that Putin and Trump worked together to throw the election, would you still say it doesn't matter because under Trump the economy improved? Yeah, that would matter to me. I don't want any illegitimate elections, don't care who wins. We have to be able to have confidence in our electoral process. I don't know. The thing here is, it is natural to attempt to protect oneself. I think I might have done the same things, or at least some of them. I'm just wondering who wouldn't. The investigation was illegitimate, Trump knew it, so maybe he was less concerned with the finer points of the law. I mean, when you're being set up, your view of the law may be that it doesn't matter to you if it doesn't matter to your persecutors (note spelling) and so he maybe took some liberties. I know that the pressure must have been tremendous on him, and I'm pretty sure I couldn't have survived such pressure, I'd have done things to relieve it. But if he was working with the Russians, yeah, out he goes, I don't care then about the economy so much as patriotism. Of course, if he was working with the Russians, who are all about diminishing the USA, the economy would have looked more like Obama's than what it is now. |
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Post by rally2xs on Apr 26, 2019 9:29:26 GMT -5
The economy doesn't matter to him either. Just to get in front of this. If and when we get another recession under Trump, it won't matter in the slightest. If we get a recession under Trump, it won't make me hate Trump, I will just figure he'd done his best and it wasn't quite good enough. |
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Post by bobathon on Apr 26, 2019 9:47:53 GMT -5
Thank. You.
When someone shows you who they are, believe them. Law does not matter to SOME people. IOKIYAR.
Anyone know offhand what Article 3 of Nixon's impeachment was for?
How about Article 3 of Clinton's impeachment?
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Apr 26, 2019 9:49:58 GMT -5
Funny how my drinking buddy has the same preresponse about the economy, how it's "the best economy in the history of the country" (LOL) and how it excuses the other 99% of the malfeasance that's been taking place on a daily basis for well over 3 years running from that camp.
I never let go of the opportunity to remind him that every single economic indicator Trump inherited were vastly improved from what Obama had inherited. And oh by the way, remember all of those scandals and criminal investigations against Barry O? Yeah, me neither.
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