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Post by No. 1 son on Sept 13, 2019 15:54:10 GMT -5
During the last one 6 wanted a voluntary rifle buyback, and 1 wanted mandatory confiscation. Considering the US government's history of continued violence, demonstrated irrational behavior, and dependence on drugs I am not sure at all they could pass an "extensive" background check.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 13, 2019 16:37:04 GMT -5
What's you chief concern?
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Post by bobathon on Sept 13, 2019 17:33:58 GMT -5
Penis size.
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Post by bobathon on Sept 13, 2019 17:35:02 GMT -5
PS Who cares, he's voting for Trump again. Everyone else is already too scary.
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Post by No. 1 son on Sept 13, 2019 19:02:36 GMT -5
What's you chief concern? Transfer of firearms to entities that may inflict harm. Isn't that what we're trying to accomplish? |
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 13, 2019 19:41:22 GMT -5
I don't know.
Does private ownership of firearms currently available to us inhibit those entities from doing harm? Like, at all?
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Post by No. 1 son on Sept 14, 2019 14:41:15 GMT -5
Is that question the same as does allowing citizens to defend themselves somehow limit the unchecked authoritarian control of the populace?
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Post by bobathon on Sept 14, 2019 16:45:25 GMT -5
Jesus fuck what a loony response. You aren't protected one goddamn whit with your little popguns. Not from Bad Guys and not hardly from tyrannical government.
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Post by bobathon on Sept 14, 2019 16:46:46 GMT -5
PS He's voting for Trump again. He's pre-justifying it now.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 14, 2019 18:18:28 GMT -5
Is that question the same as does allowing citizens to defend themselves somehow limit the unchecked authoritarian control of the populace? I think yes is the right answer but I really didn't get full grasp of the question. Allowing the citizens to defend themselves is a big fat red herring statement. Mister O'Rourke does not speak for every Democrat and the hysteria over his comment by folks like you is quite laughable when you consider he was unable to defeat one of if not possibly the most hated republican in his own state. His aspirations do not align with any forthcoming realities and that's a fact. The government, no matter what your nightmares tell you, is not, I repeat not, coming for your means of defending yourself. Nor mine. And not to belabor the point, but you are not "allowed" to defend yourself with a littany of military arms. Go ahead and order yourself some SAMs on Amazon and I bet the feds beat the 2 day delivery. |
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Post by No. 1 son on Sept 14, 2019 18:33:57 GMT -5
"folks like you". I think we are at a point here. I thank you for your honesty.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 14, 2019 19:36:58 GMT -5
I hope you didn't just go full snowflake on me.
I hear people making the same arguments, raising the same questions, expressing the same basic conspiratorial thoughts that you did wrt the comments made by O'Rourke. That's what I mean by folks like you. Don't read more into it than that, because there's nothing more to it than that. Unless you want it to be, in which case that's a symptom usually reserved for people like me. 👃 ⛏️
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Post by k9krap on Sept 14, 2019 19:37:46 GMT -5
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 14, 2019 19:56:45 GMT -5
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 14, 2019 19:57:23 GMT -5
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Post by k9krap on Sept 14, 2019 21:44:27 GMT -5
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Post by bobathon on Sept 15, 2019 3:52:50 GMT -5
He's voting Trump.
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Post by bobathon on Sept 15, 2019 5:40:35 GMT -5
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 15, 2019 7:04:15 GMT -5
Bump stocks.
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Post by bobathon on Sept 15, 2019 8:39:33 GMT -5
They should have debated the recent request for bids from ICE. For a training facility at Fort Benning. That replicates "urban environments". Called 'Chicago'. For "combat" training.
Reminds me of the good old Obama Jade Helm days and freaking out about max quantities on bullet contracts.
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Post by No. 1 son on Sept 15, 2019 8:42:23 GMT -5
How do you know how I felt or for that matter anyone felt? I will thank you for not attaching your projected judgements on me. Thank you. |
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 15, 2019 9:31:13 GMT -5
How do you know how I felt or for that matter anyone felt? I will thank you for not attaching your projected judgements on me. Thank you. How is it projecting when their thoughts and opinions are readily shared with the world on social media? Are you denying that you meant what you wrote, and so do they? |
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Post by No. 1 son on Sept 15, 2019 10:19:20 GMT -5
You can't possibly know what I feel nor can I know what you feel about things. I believe I've said before that I get as upset about shootings, all shootings and not just a few headline ones as you or anyone else, and maybe more at some of them. I do not knee jerk at every headline, and I may disagree about what to do about it, but to say I don't have concern is very off track and I don't know why it's even mentioned. I certainly don't want to get in the business of telling people how they should feel about anything. If we don't remove some of this emotion out of the conversation, and finger pointing, we will end up with some very bad official responses which may or may not address the problem.
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Post by bobathon on Sept 15, 2019 13:36:07 GMT -5
There sure seems to be a good bit of emotion and finger pointing regarding what some candidates said vis a vis bang sticks, Mr Measured Response.
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Post by minx on Sept 15, 2019 14:33:09 GMT -5
I think that banning guns, or instituting mandatory buyback programs is destined to fail. Just like prohibition, there will be a huge black market for those guns and I suspect that more than a few customers will be those 'law-abiding' citizens that the NRA always proudly touts as the best of us.
I think that open (and concealed) carry needs to be redefined - to me, open carry does not mean strapping your AR-15 to your back and strolling into Walmart or the local farmer's market. It should apply to handguns only. And concealed carry should be rare - the applicant should have to prove a real need to conceal a handgun. If you feel that carrying makes you and the people around you safer, then have the balls to let people know you have a gun and aren't afraid to use it.
I also think that there should be a mandatory waiting period and a mandatory training class, which consists of both a classroom part and a hands-on part. So passing a test showing you know the laws and regulations concerning your new purchase and how to keep it safe. Then a hands-on class where you demonstrate that you know the basic operations of said gun - you can clean it, load it, and fire it at a target (and I am not requiring you to hit said target, just fire the gun at it so you know how it will feel to actually use said gun).
So perhaps, applying for the gun, and in the intervening time, taking the class. If you decide after taking the class that a gun is not for you, you get the deposit back. And if you have taken and passed the course on one class of gun, you don't need to retake it again. So if I passed the handgun course, I would only have to take another course if I was contemplating a rifle.
Because the second amendment does guarantee the right to own a gun. But it also strongly implies that the individual who owns the gun should have it in good working order and know how to use it, seeing as the purpose was to have a well-trained militia on hand in case of tyranny.
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Post by k9krap on Sept 15, 2019 14:57:10 GMT -5
Add licensing all firearm owners and I agree. Except that I feel the license should expire after a certain time, particularly for the aging. Just renew it similar to the way we do for driving. Some testing may be required at times, but not every time you renew.
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Post by minx on Sept 16, 2019 9:47:09 GMT -5
Maybe having the certification for the training class be good until you're 60, then requiring it to be recertified every 5 years after that?
You wouldn't have to do the written part, just the practical one.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 16, 2019 10:34:17 GMT -5
I'm fine with that. There's a few significant details that would need to be presented, chiefly among them being how do you plan on enforcing it? Will it simply be a requirement for new purchases from here on out or do you want every current gun owner to submit to the requirement? And what will be done about those who do not? Will they be treated as criminals? Will the police go door to door checking? And before you say that would never happen, may I remind you that the Fairfax county Police went door to door to see if people had dogs, and if they were registered.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 16, 2019 10:44:09 GMT -5
And what about those that comply but fail the hypothetical tests? Do you plan to confiscate their property? Or just deny/suspend their license? At which point we are back to square one.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 16, 2019 10:57:38 GMT -5
If the Democrats running for office were smart and put the party ahead of their own aspirations, they would have a measured, but unified message on this subject. Something like "I promise to make universal background checks for all new firearms and ammunition purchasers mandatory and set federal guidelines for red flag laws ..." and just keep repeating it.
I think this will set well with most voters up to just right of center.
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