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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Nov 5, 2019 21:20:47 GMT -5
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Post by minx on Nov 6, 2019 15:13:43 GMT -5
Well, duh!
If it was a white officer and a black student, the student would have been charged with disorderly conduct, and the officer would be exonerated for being afraid.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Nov 6, 2019 18:09:58 GMT -5
Yeah, no. I don't think so.
I'm pretty sure civil rights apply to crackers too. It's just not sexy news when theirs are violated.
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Post by minx on Nov 7, 2019 10:30:45 GMT -5
Dude's already been arrested and charged with child abuse - I don't have time to research, but I believe when a similar scenario occurred (and yes it was a different state), the white officer was placed on admin leave so they could 'investigate'. Then again, that girl sassed the officer, so maybe it was justified.
I don't feel that police violence and overreach is limited to one race or ethnicity, but at the same time, a disproportionate amount of it seems to be directed at minorities.
But one thing that these incidents do show is that the majority of police are not trained to work with children or minors properly.
Too many kids being put in handcuffs for insulting the teacher, refusing to say the pledge, or being disrespectful in school. And probably too many officers not getting involved in more serious issues, like bullying and cyberstalking (being bullied online - simply change your phone # and create new social media accounts - nope, your bully has ways to find the new ones).
We need to have a serious conversation about why schools should even have a police officer there - as we saw at Parkland, it certainly is not a guarantee that students will be protected from a mass shooter. And I have yet to hear any student say "I feel safer knowing that Officer Bob is here to help with any problems!"
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Nov 7, 2019 12:10:55 GMT -5
It's not often that I categorically disagree with you, and I certainly do so with all due respect because you my gurl and whatnot but there are 2 root issues I see and neither necessarily jibe with yours. Preface those with setting the black/white thing aside (I'll get to that in a minute), and the main problems I see is that law enforcement is not only not trained to deal with kids, or people with mental health issues, or difficult individuals, etc but how they ARE trained in general. They are trained that they have full authority over everyone and everything, at all times, and are not restricted on how they may control any given person, persons, or situation that arises on their watch. Of course the second part of this is kind of out of order with the first but it can go both ways, which is; the individuals themselves who are hired as law enforcement. They look for people who are more like war soldiers than peace officers. Who does that job attract? People with overbearing and controlling proclivities. People with superiority complexes. People with hero syndrome. The Department is the perfect opportunity to exercise the type of control over others that would be completely unacceptable without the badge. The video above, and 1000s of others out there are evidence of this systemic personality characteristic rampant in the LE "profession". If there were a stringent screening process, including a test that must be passed showing the recruit has the proper temperament and courage for the job, we wouldn't see nearly the number of these completely unacceptable abuses.
Next. I'm not trying to hear "well, they only pay _____, so what do you expect"? No, we don't accept poor service from wait staff at the Outback Steakhouse, we don't expect it from public servants. And we won't accept it, not from a cop in Mayberry nor in NYC.
Now to the black/white thing. I make it a thing because the media makes it a thing. The white cop who dragged the black girl from the classroom was all over the national news for a week. This story has and will go away after the 24hr cycle. Guess why? In my opinion, all of this is wrong and I for one, and sick and tired of pronouns determining how upset about shit we are supposed to get.
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Post by minx on Nov 7, 2019 13:58:03 GMT -5
Oh, I 100% agree with you that the training police get is effed up totally. I'm sure that a large part of the training is paranoia - there's you, and then there's the perp. The perp is ALWAYS out to get you, so be on high alert always. And of course the 'people are never what they seem to be' thing as well. Only way to survive is to assert your authority and trust no one.
And I'm also sure that it's always been this way, and the majority of us have ignored it until we no longer can.
I don't know the solution - I agree that most of the recruits seem to be people who have totally black and white thinking. You're either right or wrong in their eyes, and that's the end of it.
But OTOH, I also know of deputies who have gone out of their way to be gentle to people - my friend's daughter had a total breakdown, and the police had to be called to take her to Snowden. It was a horrible situation, but the deputy who responded handled things the right way, and did what he could to preserve everyone's dignity.
It shouldn't be a crap shoot when you call 911 though - it's enough of a crisis to know that you or someone you love is in danger. You shouldn't also have to worry about whether they're going to send someone who knows how to respond properly to the situation.
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Post by bobathon on Nov 7, 2019 14:31:32 GMT -5
Don't issue them all guns, and ban the stupid "warrior cop" training, would be a good start. Also drug test - no steroids.
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Post by k9krap on Nov 7, 2019 16:18:01 GMT -5
I hate the “haven’t I been totally professional and courteous with you?” as they act condescendingly.
I have seen some deputies on LivePD that are amazing, but they are the exception these days. And minx, I’m older than you, but this is not how it’s always been. There was a time when LEs like the one in this video we’re the rarity rather than the norm. But, that was in a time where people generally had more respect for others. Take Karen Kidz Bop, for instance. Would anyone have done something like that 40 years ago?
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Nov 10, 2019 18:42:48 GMT -5
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