What's with Uncle Joe?

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Why the hell is he always challenging people who disagree with him to feats of strength?  I really don't give a damn about how many pushups he can or can't do, but it concerns me that he can't handle one person asking him about his son's dealings with Ukraine.  How hard is it to say "I'm sorry that you've listened to the lies that are going around.  Neither my son or I are guilty of any wrongdoing.  Next question?"

[bobathon]

He should have said "That's a bunch of malarkey."

That being said, dude was a damned lying provocateur.

[Dave's Not Here Man]

I really wish he would walk away. He's about as exciting as watching bread go stale.

And btw we used to laugh at McCain for being the "get off my lawn" guy.🙄

[minx]

I wish he'd walk away too. He should have run in 2016 rather than now IMO.

And I don't care who the GOP plants at these events - the Dems need to show that not only do they not care, but that they can handle whatever shade these assholes care to bring. Let people know that they can not only take on Putin or Kim, but that they also have the balls to shut down Moscow Mitch as well.

[Dave's Not Here Man]

Yep, which is why, despite all her baggage (real or perceived) Hillary was infinitely more qualified for the office than Cheeto Mangolini and.... I'm about to say something X rated.... than any of the current gaggle of Dem prospects.

[minx]

Pelosi would kick their asses from here to next Sunday.

[k9krap]

Howard finally got Hillary on his show this week for a 2 hour interview. He’s a huge fan and felt that if she had interviewed with him during the campaign, it might have helped to push some voters her way. He’s a wonderful interviewer, and can bring out the human side of someone.  He told her she should run again.  She said she wasn’t but she’s not going away.  

[minx]

I think Hilary is a very qualified person, and has worked hard her whole life.

But her lack of self-awareness is beyond disturbing. That election was hers, and she blew it completely by being too over-confident. I have yet to hear her admit that in any way shape or form.
And if she had an ounce of intelligence, she would go away at least in public until after the election is over - she can casually advise the nominee behind the scenes, but no public statements or campaigning.

[Dave's Not Here Man]

Honestly? If she wants to stand in front of a microphone and say "I told you so" every day for the rest of her life, I will be okay with it.

[minx]

Honestly. Not only does she fire up Trump's base, but she gives the more 'moderate' assholes who voted for him a reminder of why they did. Don't forget all of those 'Never Hilary' Republicans who put Trump in because they were terrified of her. No need to make them think about that - let's keep them focused on reversing their mistake.

And like I noted, she has a remarkable lack of self-awareness, and I think there's a lot of Democrats out there who still remember that she was handed the nomination on a platter. We can't underestimate the stupidity of either side....

[Dave's Not Here Man]

I agree but the fact remains, she's STILL better qualified for the job than anyone who wants it. The Democrats have a serious problem. The same problem I THOUGHT the -Rs had in 16, which is a massive set of fractures within the party.

Read through comments on major "Left Wing" media, like The Hill for example. You'll see all kinds of attacks by what we would ordinarily and otherwise refer to as Democrats, on Democrats, for being "centrist" or a "corporate dems", or any other number of what the far left is labeling us, and the pushback is really picking up, as you would expect. I just don't know if we're looking at a repeat engagement because there is no truly outstanding candidate in the crowd to unite the democratic voters. The question is; Will any blue do? Can the Not Trump candidate beat him?

[k9krap]

Actually, she seemed very aware of her failings during the interview. She brought some up and Howard broached a few.

[minx]

Any blue will not do. And I do feel that there is a hard push to the left from that faction of the party. I'm assuming it's the opposite of what got Trump elected, and the feeling is that if the far-right wing of the Republican party put Trump in power, then the far-left wing of the Democratic party can do the same for their nominee.

And it scares the crap out of me - we're not going to win by pushing centrist and moderate factions away. We never have and I doubt we ever will.

[bobathon]

If Any Blue won't do, enjoy Trump's Second Regime.

[minx]

You misunderstand. There are too many democrats out there who are putting stupid litmus tests on candidates, and if so-and-so isn't 'pure' enough for them, they'll just vote third-party. Not their fault that Trump gets a second term - they didn't vote for him!

Happened with Hilary too - people knew she was the only real choice, but voted for Jill Stein instead because they didn't want to sully their hands voting for a candidate they didn't personally like.

I wouldn't go out for lunch with any of the ones currently running, or the ones who were in originally. I'm not voting for them because I want to have a dinner date - I'm voting for someone (anyone) who is competent enough to run this country. And that includes a dead chipmunk if the Democrats nominate it.

My biggest worry is that as always, the Dems are trying to be something to everyone, and of course are all over the map in their proposals. We can but pray that this all works out well.

[Dave's Not Here Man]

Dec 8, 2019 13:47:29 GMT -5 bobathon said:

If Any Blue won't do, enjoy Trump's Second Regime.

She was referring to others, like the Bernie Bores, for example. Remember "Bernie or Bust"? 

The DNC screwed the pooch and they are doing the same thing now. They have picked Biden and while that may or may not work out, it is as much tampering with the election as the Russians.

Just a sample of what is being perpetuated by groups on the left and psuedo-championed by the DNC:

-Warren and Sanders are socialists and TAP don't want that. 
-Buttigieg loses the black voters (mainly bc of anti gay black baptists, but also the police thing in his city)
-Not polling above 2%
-Bloomberg loses the black vote (stop and frisk anyone?)
-Steyer, Yang no political experience
-Booker, Klobuchar, Castro establishment candidates, panderers, corporate shills
-No diversity (laughs)


Watch the old GOP debates and campaign ads and you'll see pretty much the same thing but I don't really see where they handpicked their candidate. You'll never get me to believe that the GOP machine wanted a Trump presidency.

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I'd personally like to do away with the entire primary system as it stands today.

Tell each wanna be that they have xx amount of days to gather yy amount of signatures to get on the ballot in each state - no changes there.
Once you've made the ballot in zz number of states, the party can give you some money to campaign and get your message out.
And the party should give a set of issues that you need to address/support
So for the Dems
Getting people health insurance and access to medical providers, including those who provide abortion and birth control
Maintaining and increasing social programs to help those who need it
Protecting the environment
Getting companies to create jobs with a living wage

How you solve those issues is up to you, but you have to address them all in some fashion or no money for you.

Then the freaking party can step back and focus on convincing voters to actually come out and vote, rather than shoving someone down our throats.

I'm clearly spending too much time in fantasy land nowadays.....

[Dave's Not Here Man]

Yes yes and uh, yes. So, the European way. More or less.

What we have is a joke and not democratic elections
More like capitalist and venture capitalist elections.

[minx]

Very true. Not that many of the European countries are any less screwed.