Uncle Joe

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Had a very decisive win last night.  

So, here's the question.  For the moment, let's assume this wasn't a fluke.

Joe goes on to win up to the convention, but not with the amounts that he won with last night.  So coming into the convention it's

Joe 46%
Bernie 42%

Clear enough to show a Biden win, but at the same time not an overwhelming mandate.  And we're also going to say that the rest of the primaries are not caucuses and went smoothly.

Will the Bernie Bros accept those results and work for Joe, or will they all stay home and pout?

And if the results are flipped, will the Joe Bros do the same?

Because this shit is too important to stay home and cry because your candidate didn't get the nod.  This time around a vote for anyone who doesn't have a D next to their name IS a vote for Trump.  And that includes anyone who sits at home and says they'll have 'nothing to do with this' - cause guess what?  Your non-vote just got dumped in the R column too.

[Dave's Not Here Man]

Is "I don't know" still an acceptable answer? Since most people don't seem willing to use that phrase anymore, I thought I'd make uncertainty great again.


Makes sense to me that Biden would do better in the Southeast. The word on the web is Sanders is polling way out in front in Texas, so we'll have to waitnsee. I expect Bernie to take VA hands down.

His campaign announced 46m in donation since Friday IIRC, which sort of indicates his supporters are all in

for him.

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I don't know either. All I know is that we all have to unite behind whomever gets the nomination, even if that means holding our noses while we fill in the ballot.

Because regardless of the flaws the Ds have, they are nothing compared to what's in office right now.

[Dave's Not Here Man]

Goes without saying.

We are down to 4. Amy K is out. Kinda weird that 3 of them dropped out, 2 just a day before Super Tuesday. We can't go on together with suspicious minds.

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You don't know how much cursing I did when those two dropped. Bad enough that none of them chose to formally withdraw from the race.

We have 14 people on the ballot tomorrow - we aren't allowed to say who's in and who's out (can't influence the vote in any way), so you know we'll be saying all day - 'All 14 people listed are still eligible under Virginia's voting laws - here's your ballot - have a good day!'

Ugh. Ugh, ugh, ugh.

[Dave's Not Here Man]

U. F. B.

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I wasn't surprised - lots of people didn't come out for Iowa or NH. Mostly moderates, and older voters. They all got a wake-up call when Bernie started surging and came out to hit the books for Joe.

While Joe is not my first choice (and I didn't vote for him yesterday), I was happy to see that in most places, his lead was strong - I don't want to see another 2016, where people say that the results were rigged.

And the media has pretty much been ignoring that Sanders has no strength in minority communities. Without those votes, he's doomed.

I honestly wish Warren had done better and hadn't had so many issues at the beginning of her campaign with the whole ancestry issues and her lack of a health care plan. I think that unlike Bernie, she could have been electable, and would have done a lot more to push us to enacting better health care and educational options. But her delivery came off as too wooden in the beginning - so much lecturing us on what was 'right' (as if any rational person didn't know our health care is shit, and our children have no opportunity), and she wasn't able to bring it down to the people's level, so they could see a clear benefit


I 100% think Bernie is not electable - he'll never be able to escape that socialist label, and too many Americans have been conditioned to believe that socialism is evil.
And I'm not confident that Joe can do it either - too many gaffes, and too short a fuse.
While I didn't like Mike, I will say that whomever gets the nod needs to sit down and have a looooong talk with him - unlike most of the candidates, he really understands Trump's mental game, and knows how to beat him at it. The Dems need to learn to ignore tweets and focus. Any tweet with an insult needs to get no more of a response than "Oh really?" and then a firmer push on the real issues. It concerns me greatly that Joe's response to a lot of these attacks is to try and respond back and give Trump more ammo.

[Dave's Not Here Man]

Mar 4, 2020 11:07:53 GMT -5 minx said:

I 100% think Bernie is not electable

Not for nothing but I felt that Trump was 100% unelectable.

Mar 4, 2020 11:07:53 GMT -5 minx said:

he'll never be able to escape that socialist label, and too many Americans have been conditioned to believe that socialism is evil.

I seem to remember, vividly in fact, the fever pitched cries of Socialism! and Marxism! and even the ear offending Sharia Law~! when the American people voted for Barack Hussein Obama as POTUS. Who in their right mind would have thought a black guy (mixed race even) with a name like that, would not only win the popular vote, but also the electoral college, twice?

So we probably ought to, at the very least, not count out anyone based on their labels.

[Dave's Not Here Man]

Mar 4, 2020 11:07:53 GMT -5 minx said:

Mar 4, 2020 11:07:53 GMT -5 minx said:

And I'm not confident that Joe can do it either - too many gaffes, and too short a fuse.

Again, look at how low the bar for that is right now. Seriously.

Mar 4, 2020 11:07:53 GMT -5 minx said:

The Dems need to learn to ignore tweets and focus.

And this is what Little Mike could use his time, energy, and money on. He's done a masterful job at counterstriking every unflattering attack on him from both sides, but especially Conman O'lyin. He could act as a minesweeper for the DNC and run ads that attack him on every front but as you mention here, a big focus could be on his labels; Liar, Grifter, Con artist, Cheat, Adulterer, Sexual predator, Undignified, Unfit, all the people that has left his admin on bad terms, all the quotes about Drumph from the former officials that are generally well respected, from the Secretary of the Navy to John Kelly, to the clips of every single piece of video evidence showing the facts as spoken by others under oath like Vindman, Sondland, Mueller, etc in direct contrast with those made by Trump, Guiliani, Mulvaney, and Barr.

If he was serious about what he said, he could do all of the dirty work for the candidate. Also referred to as the "fixer". <SHIT EATIN GRIN>

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There were cries of socialism and shit when Obama was running, but Obama also totally distanced himself from any mention of it, and pretty much denounced socialism when asked directly about it. OTOH, Bernie embraces the label.
While I'm not saying that Bernie's out (cause I definitely don't think he is), I also think that the more conservative end of the party is going to be the one who will tank his chances.

And as I pointed out to both of my kids - if you want someone to be on the ballot in November, you HAVE to come out to the primary in the spring or early summer and vote. Otherwise, you've screwed the pooch big time!

My worry is that if Biden does get the nod, he won't take advice from the other candidates. The smart nominee would sit down and pick all of their brains, and make it clear he did so.

Can you imagine if (let's say Bernie) got the nod and started out his first campaign speech with something like "We're going to make education affordable again! I spoke with my colleague Pete and I like his idea of phasing this in on a sliding scale. so our plan is to do...."
Or if Biden said "I sat down with Bernie and we're going to revitalize the ACA by doing X. If I'm elected, he will be my healthcare czar and will work to get this implemented"

And put Mike as the behind-the-scenes pitbull to ward off attacks.

[Dave's Not Here Man]

Hey here's a rogue thought...

What if Biden chooses Sanders as Veep, or vice versa?

That poses a hell of a conundrum for their respective cults, no?

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Oooh, I am liking this.

[bobathon]

The Grampaw Ticket. Those geezers have over 150 years between them.

[Dave's Not Here Man]

And that's what it's down to... One with early stage dementia and the other with one foot in the grave and the other on a knish.

Really hoping the eventual winner picks Warren for veep. But I have this nagging feeling....

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Uncle Joe and Liz would be a good combination.

Now that the field has really thinned, it's time for Joe and Bernie to switch their focus to what their actual plans are for defeating Trump - what will they offer, rather than attacking each other.

[Dave's Not Here Man]

I would not expect real life Walter to pick Warren. It's the establishment... he's the establishment candidate and his pick will be just like Hillary's, an establishment go-along.

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It would be a bold choice, but I don't see him as being a bold man. Which is sad, because a bold choice would make a difference now.

[Dave's Not Here Man]

Truth

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Seen on the innertubez: We're down to Statler and Waldorf.

[Dave's Not Here Man]

Right? 😂😂😂