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[Dave's Not Here Man]

abc7chicago.com/health/la-doctor-seeing-success-with-hydroxychloroquine-to-treat-covid-19/6079864/


Addressing one of minx's concerns: I've always thought that when a patient takes certain medications, they should have to sign a waiver before their doctor prescribes it and before the pharmacy fills it. This is one of those times, if we were to make a push toward treatment under fire. I would absolutely choose to take it without holding my doctor responsible for prescribing it, based on the very little evidence at hand. I've had pneumonia at least 4 times and pleurisy once. No fun x5.

FYI, the VHHA is posting data. About 30% of patients hospitalized in VA for COVID 19 are on a ventilator. 

[minx]

This guy is the head of an urgent care center, not a hospital or research center

He says he's using it for 'really sick' - how is he defining that? What are their symptoms?
He says it only works in combination with zinc - what else has he tried and what were the results of those trials?

How many patients has he seen overall? How many patients have recovered with no intervention on his part, and how many have died?

Not even close to enough data to say this works at all.

[Dave's Not Here Man]

So that narrows it down to scientist vs bureaucrat. I sometimes can't tell the difference.

There ain't no athiests in foxholes, libtards.😷

[minx]

Listen snowflake, if I can't take my gun into the hospital, I might as well die anyway!

Seriously though, we really have to keep track of shit. This guys says malaria drugs only work if you take them with zinc. Your guy says "Un-Uh. You need Vitamin C!" Pam's guy says you just need the drug, and mine says he's seen it clear up with just Tylenol.

Let's assume one of the 4 is right. And you have a window of 24 hours to decide what one to go with. All of the 4 have given you the exact same information in the article that you posted. What treatment do you choose and why? For bonus points, assume you have to explain your choice to the ER doctor who's about to admit you.

[k9krap]

I’m out. If I get this, I’m suffering through it at home. No treatment. There’s too many people on earth. I volunteer to leave.

[bobathon]

AFAIK there has only been one study on hydroxychloroquine. In France. It was shit - ignored some results, didn't discuss other meds that patients were on. Anecdote.

Plus, it's being pushed by the biggest fucking liar in the known universe.

[minx]

Apr 7, 2020 16:34:53 GMT -5 k9krap said:

I’m out. If I get this, I’m suffering through it at home. No treatment. There’s too many people on earth. I volunteer to leave.

I'm not suffering through this at home unless I have an IV with some decent sedation.  Like pneumonia, you are literally drowning to death in your own secretions.  I'm all for forgoing a ventilator but in return, I don't want to know what's happening.

[Dave's Not Here Man]

Thing Number One:

I am extremely worried that our hatred for Don the Con clouds our judgement and can't help but wonder how many out there would be FOR getting the drug to the masses if he was against it.

Thing Number Two:

To my knowledge (which can go either way) there have been no clinical trials or controlled studies done of the efficacy or safety of marijuana in treating many of the things people, including medical professionals, claim it can used for. The truth, no matter what the the big pharma lobbyists say about it is, marijuana can help bigly with things like pain, nausea, and anxiety. By the same token, team legalization needs to admit it can cause panic attacks (hello!), manic episodes (paranoia!), and probably things like emphysema, lung cancer, heart disease.

But all of this is anecdotal, right?

[Dave's Not Here Man]

Apr 8, 2020 8:49:42 GMT -5 minx said:

Apr 7, 2020 16:34:53 GMT -5 k9krap said:

I’m out. If I get this, I’m suffering through it at home. No treatment. There’s too many people on earth. I volunteer to leave.

I'm not suffering through this at home unless I have an IV with some decent sedation.  Like pneumonia, you are literally drowning to death in your own secretions.  I'm all for forgoing a ventilator but in return, I don't want to know what's happening.

Relatively few of us will ever have that option, bit COVID 19, 21, or whatever else. As for this, my perception is that a person gets a cough, then has a shortness of breath, goes to the hospital and gets put in a coma, put on a respirator, and dies. No mention of options. That's why I personally would be willing to try the snake oil. I've thought many times about how much more peaceful things would be on the other side and how easy it would be to travel there, but having someone that depends on me the way they do, along with the fact that both of my parents are still alive, keeps me in the fight. Most of the time anyway.

[minx]

I'm not saying not to try the snake oil - just don't expect it to be a miracle cure.

That's what is pissing me off about this - the whole 'We've seen this work' along with 'Everyone who gets sick should take this' crap. We have no idea if this shit works or not. And if it actually does work, we don't know when to take it, or if certain people should definitely not take it. In the meantime, it delays work and effort on something that might actually work. And this shit has some pretty serious side effects. Like permanent vision distortion, or lung inflammation.

I agree that if people want to be a guinea pig for it, they should be allowed to. Just like cancer patients should be allowed to try new drugs if they wish to. At the same time, use of this shit needs to be monitored and tracked so we have some actual science to go on. Assuming it works, when should it be administered, and how much should a person get? Can you take it at home, or do you need to be hospitalized? Are there certain populations that just can't take it?

Otherwise we're just throwing shit at a wall to see if it sticks, which will help no one.

[k9krap]

Dr. Agus said yesterday that 60% of patients that go on respirators don’t make it. Also, many of the ones that do survive this illness have permanent heart and/or lung damage. It’s a devastating illness. I’ve almost drowned once. I’d prefer carbon monoxide, but I’ll take it.

[k9krap]

Sorry. I already have AMD. I’m not risking my vision any further than I already am with this drug. I have to get extensive (some of them uncomfortable) tests several times a year because of it, and I only take 200mg a day which is half what my doctor prefers. 

l was taking 200mg twice a day when I was diagnosed with AMD.  No one could say whether it was caused by the drug or not, but I quit it anyway.  Immediately.  After a few years of testing by my ophthalmologist and nagging from my rheumatologist, I started back on it but at only half the dose.  

I’ve read that they are giving 600mg at a time as treatment for COVID-19.  It’s a huge risk of long term damage to various organs including the heart, liver and eyes.