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Post by bobathon on May 7, 2020 10:44:54 GMT -5
slavery when your employer demands you work but provides no protective gear and is legally indemnified from liability, while you have no paid leave and access to health insurance.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 7, 2020 11:08:08 GMT -5
The restaurant group based in Texas?
It's not slavery but it's other things. The employees can tell them to go fuck themselves. I'm expecting them to walk back their little self righteous rule before they're sued but the states' departments of health should step in and make this a non-issue.
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Post by bobathon on May 7, 2020 12:43:42 GMT -5
It's more like indentured servitude.
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Post by minx on May 7, 2020 12:46:14 GMT -5
Boys, boys, boys! Clearly this is some fake news you are spreading here!
Those employees are free to work wherever they want to! And they're free to stay at home and not work at all!
In fact, they are free to rub the itch on their unmasked nose and then use that hand to pass utensils to their customers. Or to lean in real close to make sure they hear the entire food order properly. And free to make comments like "I can't believe restaurant X is making their employees wear masks and gloves for 'health' reasons - why do they care if customer's get sick?"
Freedom is great, isn't it?
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 7, 2020 13:56:47 GMT -5
One would only hope that the public have a basic awareness to follow logic of people handling their food: wearing a mask > not wearing mask
... in the exact same way as those people handling your food is washing hands after using the restroom vs not washing hands.
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Post by minx on May 7, 2020 15:39:59 GMT -5
Nah - they just think those employees wash their hands!
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Post by k9krap on May 7, 2020 17:03:27 GMT -5
They don’t even wash their own hands. Why would they care if the employees wash?  |
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Post by bobathon on May 8, 2020 8:14:04 GMT -5
Oh yeah. Bigliest unemployment evar. 14.7%, winning!
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Post by minx on May 8, 2020 13:32:45 GMT -5
As strange as it sounds, I'm not worried about that number at this time.
I'm going to be worried in two months when everything is officially opened, because that will be the real test.
And while it will never happen, I'd also like to see how many businesses that will have to close their doors tried to apply for a loan and were denied because they weren't in line fast enough.
And I want to see who got those loans and how much each business received along with when they applied
And I want to see who applied, but later turned the money down because they actually didn't need it
And who has not hired back workers and why - is it because business hasn't returned, or because the CEO and stockholders saw a new way to cash in?
So many questions that will never be answered. Oversight is a hellva thing isn't it?
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 8, 2020 15:28:14 GMT -5
First things first... It's gonna be more like 6 months minimum before we can even begin to see through the smoke.
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Post by bobathon on May 8, 2020 16:14:39 GMT -5
That's none of your bidness, just rest your purty head, missy, and don't be a nasty woman. Donald is making sure those funds are taken care of.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 8, 2020 20:34:22 GMT -5
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 9, 2020 10:02:14 GMT -5
I just thought it was coincidental that he mentioned the same words we have... in the same context. Great minds think alike? Maybe, but mine is pretty fried.. when I think, you can smell the clutch slipping.
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Post by minx on May 9, 2020 10:02:20 GMT -5
I disagree on the 6 months. Let's say everything is officially cleared to re-open across the US by July 1st.
By September 1st, we're going to see just how many people got a job back. To me, that's going to be the telling point.
If one million people were laid off or furloughed and 600K of them were brought back, then we can all be pretty confident in saying that we took a 40% job loss and those jobs aren't coming back anytime soon.
I don't want to piss around and play the 'Just wait - it will get better!' game.
Use the next two months to get a figure on how many businesses had to stop operations completely - there has to be a way to look at either tax records, or something to figure out who had an active concern as of April 1st to get a starting figure.
So let's say 1000 businesses
Then use unemployment numbers (who applied for unemployment) from April 1st to July 1st (that should give good coverage - take the average of those three months).
So let's say 2000 employees
On September 30, take a look at how many businesses paid taxes for the month of September
How many continuing unemployment claims are there
Not that it will matter until Trump's ass is out of the Oval Office....
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 9, 2020 10:47:54 GMT -5
Fact: We NEVER come out of things better and stronger than we went in, until years and years later, if at all. I'm certain that the situation we have now is made worse thanks to the financial crisis of 2008 and the years leading up to it. This is different in some ways, and exactly the same in others. It may be 10 years before we know the extent of 35 million lost jobs, and maybe more, lost revenue, closed businesses, etc etc because people may and probably will struggle the same way they did then with foreclosures, evictions, defaults of loans, etc etc and the psychological impact those things have on a lot of people. It is definitely not going to be clear in October what the final score was or even who is leading at halftime IMO.
PS.... this is not even to mention monkey wrenching it even further if there's a "second wave" or even some sporadic spikes in major cities or areas of mass production in manufacturing and agriculture, or even tourist hotspots.
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Post by k9krap on May 9, 2020 16:39:47 GMT -5
IF there’s a second wave?
You aren’t considering the loss of so many that contributed to the economic well being.
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Post by minx on May 11, 2020 8:45:12 GMT -5
John, very true. But from the standards of the nit-pickers and bean counters, I don't want to wait for a year and then read 'Oops, doesn't look like those at the bottom of the ladder haven't fully recovered yet...' I mean shit - the housing market collapsed in 2008, and it wasn't until the last quarter of 2019 that people actually seemed to wake up and realize that the only ones who had been 'made whole' were already above the middle of the ladder. And that was pretty much buried in the 'stock market at an all time high!' headlines.  |
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on May 11, 2020 10:28:05 GMT -5
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Post by minx on May 11, 2020 14:41:03 GMT -5
Like I've said. People are entitled assholes. Rioting over ice cream. SMFH.
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