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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 2, 2020 12:58:32 GMT -5
Supposedly the CDC released some information somewhere that stated only 6% of the death certificates of those suspected to have died because of COVID19 have listed it as the sole cause of death. So naturally, Idiot Savant Trump retweeted it and his cultists are alllllll over it.
I just don't know how to handle these people any more so I'm writing it here where (almost) no one reads my rants and I fear becoming that old fucker that just posts political rants on social media..... But this isn't about politics! It's about lucid, educated, rational thought (sorry rally et al) and being just a little but intellectually honest. How can you have respect for someone, anyone, this stupid to argue "OH SEE!!!! IT'S A HOAX!! ONLY 6% OF THE DEATHS HAVE BEEN BECAUSE OF COVID! TAKE OFF YOUR MASK! OPEN THE SCHOOLS! OPEN UP AMERICA!
I just can't. Not without really harsh, pointed language.
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Post by bobathon on Sept 2, 2020 15:49:24 GMT -5
Yeah, it's so damned stupid. If I get hit by a truck, it wasn't my BP or cholesterol that killed me.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 2, 2020 16:34:55 GMT -5
Let them set up a fund for COVID19 victims and families, and watch how many of those FUCKING MORONS sign up. On the down low of course.
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Post by k9krap on Sept 2, 2020 17:24:14 GMT -5
And it’s really horrible that notable physicians have to take time away from their lifesaving work to correct or refute these moronic claims.
Another concern is that Tzar Orangina has exerted enough pressure to force the CDC to alert states that a vaccine will be available in late October. I am very wary of this whole vaccine rush. It’s scary, actually.
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Post by bobathon on Sept 3, 2020 12:18:32 GMT -5
It worked so well for Ford and the swine flu vaccine rush
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 3, 2020 12:59:06 GMT -5
Have to assume the tech is much better now than ever. Also have to A$$UME there's a shitload of money changing hands before the big experiment. No, I will not be getting vax until a someone/s I trust says it's safe and effective. But I will probably get a flu shot twice- this fall and winter
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Post by bobathon on Sept 3, 2020 14:31:05 GMT -5
I’d rather wait for the WHO vaccine. We are so fucked. I hope this was worth it, for some people.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 3, 2020 15:00:24 GMT -5
Well the good news is if you're young and in perfect physical health, you'll probably be okay.
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Post by minx on Sept 5, 2020 14:10:34 GMT -5
My FIL had Parkinson's. Had become fairly advanced at the time of his death. His heart stopped in his sleep one night.
His death was certified as heart failure due to complications of Parkinson's disease.
When you have cancer and are undergoing (or have undergone) chemo, it wipes out your immune system. So you get the flu because your immune system is shot.
Should we list the cause of death as stage 4 cancer, or should we state what really happened - influenza due to complications of stage 4 cancer.
All these assholes - "My loved one had xxx, and developed COVID, yet COVID is listed as the cause of death - we all KNOW that they died of xxx" Thanks you Dr. Infowars.
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Post by k9krap on Sept 8, 2020 19:34:50 GMT -5
AstraZeneca has had to halt the trials of their vaccine after a participant suffered a severe reaction from it. This is the one I had the highest hopes for.
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Post by minx on Sept 9, 2020 8:20:32 GMT -5
At least they came out and said there was a severe reaction, and shut stuff down quickly - the pressure not to must be immense.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 9, 2020 8:52:51 GMT -5
Last I heard there was one person that "developed an unexplained illness", which can mean a lot of things. Obviously they need to rule out that it was the vaccine that caused it. Based on what I know about clinical trials, there are going to be problems like this and sometimes they are in fact attributed to the drug. That doesn't automatically disqualify the drug from being approved.
Ever see the tv commercials for these biologics? "Some cancers have occured". It's the reason my wife has declined to take more than one of the MS drugs. When you've had cancer once.... The drugs still made it to market. We can argue all day about how and why but the bottom line is very few drugs are 100% safe 100% of the time. I'd be pressed to name one.
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Post by minx on Sept 9, 2020 10:10:55 GMT -5
They did say a serious unexplained illness, so that would actually require them to stop the trial temporarily to investigate since the drug is going to be used on a large amount of people. I was in a drug trial back in the day (I'm proud to say I am a side effect - uncontrolled vomiting), and they did explain what would cause them to completely stop the trial. Don't remember the exact conditions, cause it was back in the late 80s, just that unexplained death was at the top of the list  |
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 9, 2020 10:26:16 GMT -5
Understood. Just saying they probably shut it down based on protocol and not fear of it being a bust. I didn't read the whole thing. Was it a Phase III trial or still in Phase II?
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Post by minx on Sept 9, 2020 12:27:22 GMT -5
Think it's still phase 2. Sounds like the person developed a severe spinal infection, so they're stopping to make sure it wasn't a complication of the vaccine.
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Post by k9krap on Sept 9, 2020 18:26:29 GMT -5
Nope. It’s phase 3. Dr. Agus’ text today has allayed my worries. He said it’s the second halt to this trial and its normal. Only one reaction out of 30000+ participants is amazing, according to him. They still don’t know if she was a recipient of the actual vaccine or a placebo or if the malady was a result of whatever she was given.
Thank you Dr. Agus.
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Post by minx on Sept 10, 2020 9:08:10 GMT -5
I wasn't sure about the phase - thanks for that information Pam.
And yeah, it's not abnormal to stop trials and then resume them.
My concern is the demographic they're testing in, because from what I've read they're not getting enough volunteers from groups that are at higher risk - minorities and those over 50.
But with all the shitstorm surrounding this, that could be misinformation as well.
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Post by k9krap on Sept 10, 2020 17:41:11 GMT -5
Yep, They’re still begging for volunteers from those demographics.
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Post by k9krap on Sept 12, 2020 17:27:13 GMT -5
After independence analysis, the trial is back on.
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Post by minx on Sept 13, 2020 11:44:53 GMT -5
You wanna know a great way to get people behind taking this vaccine?
Have one of Trump's kids volunteer for the trials - do it with a nice press conference, where Donald Jr. and his girlfriend roll up their sleeves and take a literal shot for the team!
I am totally rooting for this - what clearer sign of hell freezing over can you get?
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 13, 2020 13:21:56 GMT -5
Ivanka said she'd take it on THE VIEW.
Bet you didn't think that's where I was going with that.
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Post by minx on Sept 14, 2020 8:58:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I'll take it too!
There I SAID it, so it must be true!
Too bad the women on the view didn't say "Put up or shut up Bitch!"
And I think your first statement is a clear indicator that it's definitely cold enough in hell for heavy frost.
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