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Post by minx on Dec 14, 2020 10:27:20 GMT -5
The first 'official' dose of the vaccine was administered to a critical care nurse in Long Island this morning.
Now the fight over who should have priority begins!
Cause there is only one state where the amount of doses received in the first round is expected to be enough to cover essential healthcare workers in hospitals and long-term care facilities along with the residents of those facilities. (and those figures are based on Moderna's vaccine being approved in time to distribute by the end of December so that states get those doses as well)
So, who is more worthy? Let the games begin, and may the odds be ever in your favor!
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Dec 14, 2020 12:00:10 GMT -5
My advice to everyone at this point is to think positive (or like I always say when someone tells me to be positive, "Yes, I'm POSITIVE everythings fucked up") and keep doing what you've been doing except for the panic buying toilet paper. Wear your mask outside of your home and vehicle, keep your distance from other people, and use hand sanitizer and/or wash them frequently.
The issues with the vax will get worked out sooner or later. The King of Lies will be gone in a couple of weeks and there will be, if nothing else, competent people taking over. If we can't trust them then who can we trust?
All healthcare workers and support staff (docs, nurses, na's, receptionists, custodians, volunteers, office managers, etc) first. Then all first responders immediately following if not at the same time. Then nursing homes, long term care facilities, assisted living, and all other elderly congregate living residents. Then everyone over 40 or with a medical condition that put them at high risk of infection related complications. I believe that's pretty much in line with what the experts have said and that the rest of the gp could start getting it in late spring early summer.
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Post by minx on Dec 14, 2020 13:41:38 GMT -5
I agree on the priorities except with regards to first responders. I think that EMTs should be up with the front-line workers for sure, but that residents of long-term care facilities should be ahead of police and fire. They fall into the extreme risk category IMO, and are one of the groups being hit hardest by this virus. And I would also put corrections officers and other prison workers ahead as well. Prisons have become a breeding ground for the virus - if we're being truly humane, we'd add the prisoners to the priority list, but that's not going to happen. But correctional officers have a tough job with piss-poor pay, and due to the nature of their job are a high-risk group.
The majority of police can come next, along with people who work with the public in an essential role, such as retail workers. Then firefighters, and those with medical conditions putting them at risk.
It won't happen that way of course, due to the idol worship of first responders. But from what I've been reading, they are no more at risk than other essential workers.
Oh, and Biden/Harris along with their immediate family members and essential staff should be in the top tier as well.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Dec 14, 2020 14:29:18 GMT -5
Police and fire are constantly in direct contact with people pretty much the same as EMTs and anyone you see in the hospital minus the extra PPE.
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Post by bobathon on Dec 14, 2020 16:34:19 GMT -5
If direct contact with the great unwashed hordes is the standard, grocery store workers need to be early candidates. From the other topic, dope dealers, too.
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Post by minx on Dec 14, 2020 17:30:56 GMT -5
If that's your standard then Ho's should be put before healthcare workers!
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Dec 14, 2020 19:10:38 GMT -5
Yes to the hoes and noes to the bros.
The hordes of unwashed notwithstanding.
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Post by minx on Dec 15, 2020 9:29:41 GMT -5
Looks like Moderna's vaccine will be authorized late this week or early next week as well. Progress is being made....
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Dec 15, 2020 10:34:12 GMT -5
It definitely helps relieve at least as much anxiety as it creates. Two more would be super, as long as one isn't Amazon. (Bet me they aren't workin on it)
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Post by minx on Dec 15, 2020 11:50:14 GMT -5
Bezos is the one who wishes he could microchip folks.
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Post by k9krap on Dec 23, 2020 1:35:30 GMT -5
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Dec 23, 2020 11:05:13 GMT -5
If it takes 2 shots in exactly that 2 week time window to achieve maximum effectiveness, which would obviously be the goal and how it was engineered, then I would not support the alternative. If that time window wasn't as critical, let's say you could get about the same net effectiveness at 12 weeks, then for the sake of getting double the number of people the first one, then I'd be more comfortable with that.
At 60% though, we're not in much of a better situation because the people are freaking out as it is. If they're getting shots and still getting the virus, we've got a huge problem. Because you know the minute they get that first shot, the masks are off, the parties are on, and there's going to be people that follow just because.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jan 3, 2021 11:27:37 GMT -5
Seems to be a lot of dissent among health workers, nurses and doctors. I've been reading that it's about half of them are refusing the vax. So far there isn't a lot of reason being given, whether it be they don't trust it, have tested + for the antibodies, or want it to go to the more at-risk like elderly and sick. I assume none of them are "it's a hoax"ers while I surely assume at least a few of them are conspiracy theorists.
Sure does create a significant roadblock in the plan to get this under control even in the best case scenario of a strategy where everything is hitting on all cylinders, let alone the fact that the operation is more like warped mind than warped speed.
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Post by minx on Jan 3, 2021 13:46:36 GMT -5
As always, there was no real planning.
This time, what I don't get is the state and local reactions. By now, you'd have thought that they understand that no advice, guidance or help will arrive from the Feds. So MAKE A GODDAMN PLAN YOURSELF!!! And have a backup.
So our plan is this 1) Here is the list of the most vulnerable population in our area by group and population numbers 2) Here is our ability to store and transport vaccines 3) Here is a list of areas that can be converted to vaccine centers, along with a list of providers who would be willing to administer the sites, and staffing needed
From there, develop a distribution and notification plan 1) Our first vaccines are going to people in group A - these are the following xxxxx 2) We are able to store vaccines at yy sites, and can deliver it to zz places a day. --Because of this, we will be setting up vaccination centers to make the most efficient use of resources --Each center needs to be able to administer aa doses of vaccine each day, and will need bb number of staffers per patient being vaccinated --We also need cc mobile centers who can go to patient's homes, or to long-term care facilities to reach those who can't get out 3) This is our plan to notify people that their group is eligible now, and to help them set up appointments --How are we going to get people to vaccination centers - should we set up a shuttle of some sort for those who cannot drive? --How will we follow up to make sure people get a reminder that they need to go get the first shot? --After the first shot is administered, how will we follow up to make sure they come in for the next one?
Get all the shit in place, with the huge caveat that the Feds could step in and upset the apple cart at any moment. But for the Love of God, don't rely on the current administration to do anything but try fuckery. And don't think that Biden will untangle this crap on day 1!!!
ARRRRRRRRRGH!
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Post by bobathon on Jan 3, 2021 15:02:24 GMT -5
The plan is, tell the priority folks you ran out or vaccine, then "find" some to give your friends and relatives. Oh hello, Tennessee, how's tricks?
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Post by minx on Jan 4, 2021 13:36:12 GMT -5
What I want to know is how one vial has 5 doses, but some have 6 or 7. Is this a loaves and fishes thing, or has Pfizer fucked something up?
Too bad there's not an agency or office that could issue clear guidelines about who to vaccinate in what order and how to screen people so that fuckups like this couldn't occur. I'm thinking like a Center for Disease Control - something that the President could direct to issue guidelines to states and track to make sure they were followed properly with every state doing the same thing, Why can't we create that?
Oh, silly me! We need that money to fund the investigations into why people didn't want to re-elect the president!
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jan 4, 2021 15:54:21 GMT -5
The way I understood it was that the vials all were capable of drawing 7 doses but sold as 5. They draw the proper amount of cc's from the vial and I guess expect some variations because of the act of dispensing it being carried out by human element.
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Post by minx on Jan 4, 2021 16:02:15 GMT -5
Yeah, but it causes confusion. That makes the great unwashed public nervous. When people are nervous, they become distrustful. Not what we need right now.
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Post by k9krap on Jan 4, 2021 19:20:23 GMT -5
It’s a common thing. The restasis vials I use are sold as one dose per (2 drops, one for each eye) but I can get up to 4 doses out of them.
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Post by bobathon on Jan 5, 2021 6:19:42 GMT -5
Of course they overfill, there'd be liability hell to pay if they were underfilled.
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Post by minx on Jan 5, 2021 10:20:23 GMT -5
Don't ask me to think on my first day back from vacation you two!
And yes, that makes sense - my medications are in pill form, except for my eye drops, which are supposed to last a month - not sure how many doses I'm supposed to get in them. So I'm used to 30 days = 30 pills.
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Post by k9krap on Jan 5, 2021 19:30:28 GMT -5
What I’m reading now really worries me. Some states are proposing that they give only half doses of the Moderna vaccine. One of the trials showed that they were proficient in adults up to 55. Um, no. Just use the damn vaccines as the manufacturer proscribed and the FDA recommends.
And they’re running out of oxygen in the LA area? Jeez.
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Post by bobathon on Jan 6, 2021 5:30:59 GMT -5
It was approved by FDA for a certain delivery plan. Best we let politicians and MBAs figure it out.
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Post by minx on Jan 7, 2021 10:11:39 GMT -5
Had doctor/dentist appointments yesterday.
Was pleasantly surprised to find out that all of them were scheduled to get the vaccine either this week or early next week. Didn't think they'd get it so soon, since they aren't in a hospital or nursing home.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Jan 7, 2021 11:46:24 GMT -5
I was just reading that the big health group in Roanoke, Carilion?, said it's given 6000 staff the first dose and 1500 second doses. That's pretty good when you take all things into account. Biden will use the defense production act, almost certainly on Day 1 and there will at least be a national strategy. Can it go backwards on him? Yes but I would go all-in on the bet that things get moving a hell of a lot faster and more efficiently.
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Post by minx on Jan 7, 2021 13:54:35 GMT -5
Agree, and I hope it happens.
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