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Post by minx on Nov 4, 2021 9:06:17 GMT -5
As I'm sure you know, you can claim a religious objection to being vaccinated and get away without being jabbed under mandates.
Mr. Minx showed me the federal exemption form. Here are the questions
1) Please describe the religious belief, practice or observance that is the basis for your request for a religious exemption from the COVID-19 vaccination requirement. 2) Please describe when and how you came to hold this religious belief or observe this religious practice. 3) Please describe how you have demonstrated this religious belief or observed this religious practice in the past. 4) Please explain how the COVID-19 vaccine conflicts with your religious belief, practice or observance. 5) Have you ever raised an objection to a vaccination, medical treatment or medicine based on a religious belief or practice? (yes or no) 5a) If yes, please provide a description of the circumstances, timing and resolution of the matter. 5b) If no, please provide and explanation as to why your objection is limited to the particular COVID-19 vaccines. 6) Please provide any additional information that may be helpful in resolving your request for a religious exemption from the COVID-19 vaccination requirement. You may submit additional documentation in support of this request to your supervisor along with this form.
Yeah baby - make these assholes justify their religion! I think this form should be standard for all companies with employees trying to pull this shit. Oh, and it's a two page form, with looooots of space for your answers!
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Nov 4, 2021 9:38:45 GMT -5
Yeah baby - make these assholes justify their religion! Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; There are absolutely legitimate religious objections. I may not agree with them, but defend their Constitutional rights. The assholes are the ones the form is trying to weed out. I suppose that's fine with me but these damn rules always interfere or punish the law abiding person that is otherwise living their lives with what little liberty remains of what was promised them as Americans. Yes, rights come with responsibilities. I got that. 100%. But when an average citizen says they have a religious objection... you take them at their word. It's a terrible precedent and I can;t help but wonder how long it will take the courts to bury it with the Marriage Act (that's called irony, folks).
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Post by minx on Nov 4, 2021 10:56:46 GMT -5
Yeah, but I have an objection to folks hiding behind religion to avoid their civic responsibility.
And I feel that if you really have a sincere religious belief, you'll easily be able to define what your religion is (and it could be worshipping the Almighty Lord of Our Kitchen Sink for all I care), how long you've been practicing it and what it's basic tenets are. You have a right to worship how you want, but if you want to avoid government regulations, you need to be able to clearly state your beliefs.
Don't get me started on stuff like IRS exemptions for religious organizations....
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Nov 4, 2021 11:15:44 GMT -5
Basically that's the long version of what I said except that when I read stuff like that I want to use the word Disability instead of or at least alongside Religion. Would you like to make a law or mandate that someone claiming to be disabled sign a boatload of questions about your disability (is 1 too many or just enough?) as a requirement to gain or keep employment, or travel, or attend school?
Not seriously comparing the two. Because one is specifically mentioned as a constitution right (and neither is abortion) and the other is not, not specifically. I advocate that the government stick to the constitution and the bill of rights as closely as possible, with the understanding that people (oh, and corporations) will exploit even the slightest cracks for their own agendae. They are trying to enforce this through fucking OSHA. Totally off the rails. Is it a white van with green stripes or a white van with brown stripes? We'll see who runs when they pull up. Fucking terrible.
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Post by minx on Nov 4, 2021 14:29:15 GMT -5
Okay, I see your point.
To that, I think we need to say that the government is not in the religious business. Period. If you take government money in any shape, form or fashion (including Medicaid/Medicare payments if you're a medical provider), you are not allowed to reject someone based on their religious views. And you can't impose your religious views on others. So no denying legal services because it's against your religious views in that case.
No tax exemption for places of worship - you can deduct charitable activities, but like the rest of us, you have to break them out in terms of the income you take in.
And no more religious holidays recognized as Federal holidays, such as Christmas.
However, if you want to take one of your religious holidays off, your employer can't deny you if they take any type of federal money. They don't have to pay you, but they can't deny the leave.
And no laws based on religion at all. So if a law is passed saying you need to be vaccinated to attend a public school, there is no religious exemption. Either you follow the law, or you educate your child elsewhere.
Will never happen of course, but it would make life easier.
Oh, and I'm 100% with you on this being an overreach by trying to amend OSHA. This is the direct result of decades of EO coming home to roost - we no longer pass laws through Congress, but by executive fiat.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Nov 4, 2021 15:30:57 GMT -5
Just a couple quick points-
We do have a religion problem. Some might argue there's not enough of it and some might argue there's too much. It depends on your point of view. Obviously I side with you for the most part on what you say to include the wealth tax on preachers' fortunes that are held by some ghost trust of the church and absolutely agree with you about keeping the 2 things completely separate from each other. As far as taxpayer money being used for supporting the religious establishment in some form or another, to me that's a bit too far because sometimes I think the cause is too great to punish because of who is running it. But I still would approach with caution so that the resources provided aren't used to fund their influence in government just like what is going on in every other non-religious business and special interest. Sound like anyone you know?
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Post by bobathon on Nov 5, 2021 2:49:15 GMT -5
Religious exemption is pure privilege. Someone's imaginary friend "says" they don't have to do whatever and the rest of E pluribus unum has to allow it. No personal inconvenience for me, because Gawd. What nonsense.
Now where's my ritual peyote?
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Post by minx on Nov 5, 2021 10:50:40 GMT -5
I guess I'm just infuriated by watching video after video of people using their religious values to try and justify repressing other groups.
Your religious values say that homosexuality is a sin and you'll burn in hell for even being exposed. Well, mine say that it's not.
So do we bow before one view or the other, or do we say that religion has nothing to do with this and then make a decision based on a thing called a fact!
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Nov 5, 2021 11:24:09 GMT -5
I don't want bible thumpers telling schools what to teach.
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Post by minx on Nov 5, 2021 12:28:51 GMT -5
Truth.
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