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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 19, 2023 14:22:06 GMT -5
That you can appeal to the entire world for peace and at the same time be the biggest arms dealer in that same world?
Mixed messages or peace through deterrent?
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Post by minx on Sept 20, 2023 9:14:08 GMT -5
I was told by a Republican 'saint' that mutually assured destruction was the way to go.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Sept 20, 2023 10:49:05 GMT -5
That's a given.
President Biden's speech to the UN was rife with hypocrisy, which was the gist of the OP. Firstly your lamp ain't shining too bright if you think sending billions of dollars in aid and billion more in war fighting firepower to Ukraine is going to bring about peace. It also disturbs me a little that no one seems to want to acknowledge that NATO is in fact currently at war with Russia albeit a proxy one at minimum. Russian soldiers, who act upon the orders they are given, just the same as any soldier in any military are not permitted to ask why, are being torn to shreds by NATO weaponry that NATO supplied and trained Ukranians to use. If my neighbor asked me to use my gun to shoot the other neighbor, I am complicit in that outcome.
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Post by minx on Sept 20, 2023 14:18:32 GMT -5
Oh shit yeah. And I disagree with you about NATO being at war with Russia since almost everyone in that alliance but us are sitting on their asses.
I do feel that the world needed to step up and tell Russia that they can't take over independent republics willy-nilly, but at the same time where is the rest of the Western world to step up and do anything at all to prevent this from happening? And as always, what is our end game here? If Russia withdraws troops this afternoon and says they're done, are we now going to pour billions upon billions into Ukraine to repair the damages?
And if you don't have the guts to stand in front of the UN and flat out say that what Russia is doing is little different than what Hitler did in the late 30s in Poland, then how can you justify sending any money at all to Ukraine, let alone weapons?
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