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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Feb 22, 2024 13:13:58 GMT -5
Bunch of fights in the schools this week. Apparently at least one lockdown in Spotsy as a result. We had fights in schools too (usually got a day or two off and an ass full of foot at home) but to just plain bust an adult in the head? In Middle School especially? Ah, that would be a hard NO. patch.com/virginia/fredericksburg/middle-school-student-strikes-adult-head-stafford-policeNeeds to be nipped in the bud. Charge the parents with the same charge. I would settle for "Accessory to Assault..." Watch how fast this shit stops when parents suffer the consequences of their little assholes' behavior. It would start on their first day of pre-k all the way until they're of age and have to answer for themselves without the cover of being a minor.
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Post by minx on Feb 22, 2024 14:57:36 GMT -5
Agreed. But there also needs to be some sort of plan for both parents who are trying and parents who don't give a shit.
So, if you are a parent who's trying to keep all the shit together, and are at a loss on how to prevent little Johnny/Susie from being an asshole, there will need to be access to some sort of parental groups where you can work on a better strategy to help out. Because I do believe that there are well-meaning parents who just don't understand how to do this - they aren't going to beat the living crap out of their kids (nor should they), but they also don't know any other way to stop this.
And if you're a parent who doesn't give a shit, what will the consequences be? It's easy to say they need to homeschool their little assholes, but how do we make sure that's actually being done?
A kid was killed in a fight in OK this past week. They were non-gender, and a bunch of girls kicked the shit out of them in the bathroom. School says that everyone walked out of the bathroom with no assistance whatsoever, but when they called the child's guardian, they told her that the kid should be taken to the ER and checked out. ER said kid had a severe concussion. They passed out the next morning and were dead before the ambulance arrived. They were all in MS, and the school and governor are trying to play it all down - not related to the child's gender, not a big fight, death not related to the fight at all. Family has asked for a full autopsy by and independent investigator (as they should), because they're calling bullshit on this.
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Post by minx on Feb 23, 2024 10:44:15 GMT -5
I guess the students involved are being charged with a misdemeanor. Teacher has resigned effective immediately.
Don't blame the teacher - if I was assaulted trying to break up a fight where others decided to jump in after I started to intervene, I'd quit too.
Assuming these girls are all found guilty, I'm all for naming their parents as well. Or maybe name the parents without the kid.
The daughter of John and Susie Smith has been convicted of attacking a teacher after the teacher tried to break up a fist fight during school hours. Josie Smith, 11, has been sentenced to xx. Mr & Mrs. Smith have been ordered by the court to spend xx hours volunteering at the school during school hours, along with mandatory parenting classes. The daughter of John and Jane Doe has also been convicted for her role in this crime. Sandy Doe, 12, has been sentenced to xx. Mr & Mrs. Doe have been ordered by the court to spend xx hours volunteering at the school during school hours, along with mandatory parenting classes.
I would support not naming the kids, but certainly their ages and punishment should be made public, along with the names of their parents. And their 'Volunteer work' at the school should be something like helping to supervise in-school learning for kids who should be suspended (like their own children).
Violate the terms, and you can sit in jail next to your kid.
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Post by Dave's Not Here Man on Feb 23, 2024 11:03:49 GMT -5
Sounds reasonable depending on the crime. As for assault? Maybe the first time the parents get community service specifically in the school but also a fine and if it's not already a thing, make it possible for the teacher or admin to sue them directly for damages (lost time at work, medical costs, emotional trauma, etc). Second time? Next level.
The only thing I worry about is when a kid or someone being physically assaulted fighting back. Bullied kids for example. Because of the way we've completely thrown common sense out the window in lieu of zero tolerance, they are punished for standing up for themselves as if they were the bully. Get the facts first and make sure neither the student or the parents should suffer any consequences under those circumstances. I've already told you about how my son got tired of a kid bullying him on the bus and was suspended for giving the kid a face full of fist.
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Post by minx on Feb 23, 2024 13:46:14 GMT -5
Regarding the bullied fighting back, you are absolutely right. And on that, parents need to document, document, document. And go to the school administration and above to have it on record.
Problem of course is that if the victim reports it, the bullying doubles and triples. And now in the age of social media, it's super easy to drag others in without lifting a finger. Too many stories of one or two kids spreading shit around more than one school about their victim, until the victim feels that they have no where to turn at all. And then everyone is shocked and appalled when the kid kills themselves because the school did nothing.
Not sure how we get around that - lots of bullies today are pretty smart. My youngest was bullied on the bus. Friend said something about reporting it, and next thing daughter knew, she was being called to the guidance counselor because the girl bulling her claimed that my daughter was the bully! (BTW, a huge part of it was because daughter stood her ground and didn't cry or cower when this girl threatened her) Being super smart AND street savvy, my daughter sat and said that she was sorry if bully was hurt by anything she said or did. Perhaps a good resolution would be if they both ignored each other on the bus completely, and asked their friends to do the same - HA!
BUT, I was never told about this incident by the school at all. I only knew about it because my daughter told me, and made me promise on everything that's holy not to go to the school about it.
Oh, and other kid's parents didn't think their kid's shit stank at all. I think both of my kids are fantastic, but I also know that they were one person in school and a different person at home.
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